My absence and return - thoughts on demolished houses

[hydralus]

I would take instanced housing over a "neighborhood" any day...

Aren't there enough MMOs you can play where they have instanced housing? Wildstar's still going, I hear. I personally would be really disappointed if they changed the model not only because I do hang out with my neighbors and like peeping in on the RP ones next door but limiting housing actually gives it a bit of a status symbol, and hate me if you must, but I like having that precious limited item, however fragile the hold on it may be.

Not that I'd quit if they went fully instanced; fine by me. But I like this system.

But the sting of all my stuff getting deleted is hard to get past.

Uhh wasn't that a self inflicted wound? You were boycotting and knew it was gonna happen.

[C-croft]

OP

I don't understand why protesters, silent or not, do not have the foresight to know that they need to be willing to accept the sacrifice they make when the shtuff hits the fan. Of course, in this case at least, we're talking about the game. Knowingly letting your house go, even if it was behind a paywall, was your own fault and letting SE know your grievances know in this manner is too little too late. Your excuse is, in all honesty, garbage. You explicitly knew it was going to happen, and let it happen. Because it was behind a paywall, you refused to resub. A noble sacrifice, but now that you knowingly paid for it, you should not have any beef about it. None. According to another post, it sounds like they sent emails regarding this change. I don't have a house, so I don't know nor have I bothered to check. If that's true, even more so your fault for letting it go. There could have been other issues in real life that prevented you from logging in, but it sounds like you just didn't like how SE was doing things and decided to not give them any money. Fair play. You can't blame SE when you threw the ball back in their court and they Michael Jordan dunked on you.

With that said, I still feel for you man. That is a lot of time and money, and it sucks to lose it for any reason. 45 days is too short and I am so glad I saw this post because you just saved me lots of gil. I have to be away from the game for two months, and while I have no intention of unsubbing, I will not access to the game to be able to login. Also, I never expect promises from companies because things change, and design is never the same day to day. It sucks that they gave a statement that sounded like a promise and at that time, I am sure they did not have that system. However, things change, and honestly this change is a good one, with the exception of the time frame. I haven't read through the entire thread though. Does anyone have the link to the housing changes?

[Geryth]

I think this is why many people, myself included, are getting confused about the purpose of your post. You've made it personal, you've written here with your personal story and laced it with your personal anger and upset as opposed to coming here and just saying like "hey this system is kinda balls. Any plans on changing it?" or maybe some of your ideas for that. The reason people are confused is because its felt like a large part of this thread has been anger/upset over your own deleted house (which i do understand) but it has kinda invalidated a lot of your argument about understanding the reasons and stuff. You appear to be arguing on two different planes and it makes for very confusing reading as they are opposing sides.

Maybe something in my OP is confusing because a lot of people don't seem to understand what I'm saying. I don't feel like I've said anything different in the last 15 pages than I did in my OP though.

I don't see how anything I've said is contradictory or how one thing invalidates the other. I understand the need for demoing houses. It's an awful solution to an awful problem. They punished players for taking breaks from their game. And punished players aren't likely to come back.

I am upset they deleted my house, sure, but I'm not here crying about "poor me and my house". I'm mad about why they deleted my house, and picking the worst solution to their problem they could have picked.

[Geryth]

I don't understand why protesters, silent or not, do not have the foresight to know that they need to be willing to accept the sacrifice they make when the shtuff hits the fan. Of course, in this case at least, we're talking about the game. Knowingly letting your house go, even if it was behind a paywall, was your own fault and letting SE know your grievances know in this manner is too little too late. Your excuse is, in all honesty, garbage. You explicitly knew it was going to happen, and let it happen. Because it was behind a paywall, you refused to resub. A noble sacrifice, but now that you knowingly paid for it, you should not have any beef about it. None. According to another post, it sounds like they sent emails regarding this change. I don't have a house, so I don't know nor have I bothered to check. If that's true, even more so your fault for letting it go. There could have been other issues in real life that prevented you from logging in, but it sounds like you just didn't like how SE was doing things and decided to not give them any money. Fair play. You can't blame SE when you threw the ball back in their court and they Michael Jordan dunked on you.

Please read the other 15 pages, it's good discussion.

I have right to both willingly let my house get deleted, and be angry at my deleted stuff. They had a system where housing was limited and ruining the experience of subscribing players. Lots of ways to deal with that (my preferred solution would have been instanced housing). They picked the path of least development and decided to put a time limit on housing activity. That's an awful, lazy solution, and goes directly against what they said they were going to do with housing by never associating it with a subscription. I'm not willing to give my money to developers who punish their players so severely for wanting (or needing) to take an extended break. All because they aren't willing to implement a proper solution.

And I can still be mad that they deleted my stuff. A majority of the gil I ever made went into that house. Hours of time, investment, and fun. And to toss it all in the garbage because of their lazy design - that's a horrific way to say goodbye to a player who subscribed to your game, for any length of time (about 540 days for me, in fact, including extra money spent on extra retainers), whether or not they would resub.

[C-croft]

Please read the other 15 pages, it's good discussion.I have right to both willingly let my house get deleted, and be angry at my deleted stuff. They had a system where housing was limited and ruining the experience of subscribing players. Lots of ways to deal with that (my preferred solution would have been instanced housing). They picked the path of least development and decided to put a time limit on housing activity. That's an awful, lazy solution, and goes directly against what they said they were going to do with housing by never associating it with a subscription. I'm not willing to give my money to developers who punish their players so severely for wanting (or needing) to take an extended break. All because they aren't willing to implement a proper solution.

And I can still be mad that they deleted my stuff. A majority of the gil I ever made went into that house. Hours of time, investment, and fun. And to toss it all in the garbage because of their lazy design - that's a horrific way to say goodbye to a player who subscribed to your game, for any length of time (about 540 days for me, in fact, including extra money spent on extra retainers), whether or not they would resub.

Do I have to read the other 15 pages? I don't care about fairness to other players to be honest. I don't want to read 15 pages of people telling you that you are wrong because other people want housing too. I also don't feel the need to read the OP in different ways over 15 pages. The demo system is a good one, because there were many trolls and squatters. In the same token, it's bad because, like you said, breaks and being unable to login is punished. I'm trying to look at both sides of the coin.

Even with all that said, you really can't be mad at SE. What you are trying to do is shift the blame for the loss of your time and virtual goods onto SE. While the system has very terrible aspects that we can both wholeheartedly agree on, you were given notice. Even if they decided to go with demoing houses in favor of active players, you were advised of such. You made the conscious choice to ignore the warnings. Your personal feelings in regards to the housing situation should not be ignored, but wanting to pas sthe buck to SE for not heeding their warnings is your own fault. If you only intended to take that short break and had intended to return before the deletion of goods, the demolition of housing would not have mattered to you. You would not have been affected. You chose to boycott the system and voted with your wallet. You boycott was heard as was others, and the decision was made to move forward with the demo plans regardless. You took this risk. If you want to be mad, you need to be mad at yourself for losing your stuff. You can be mad at SE for having a system that punishes people the way it does.

Edit: you know what? I think I will read the other posts for your sake. might reform my opinion one way or the other.

[Zarabeth]

I would take instanced housing over a "neighborhood" any day, especially if that was the only way to get permanent housing. How often do you see neighbors? Converse with them? Have them over for dinner, perhaps?

Please, I walked through many housing wards just this week to see what was available and what houses look like these days, I hardly saw a soul in any single one of them, despite every single house being occupied. I walked up to fully occupied apartment and there were zero people at the summoning bell and market board outside.

Instanced housing would hardly be any lonelier than the ward/district model.

I guess you missed ward 5 of Leviathan server. I have made many friends in my neighborhood and continue to do so. I've known several of my neighbors for years now. We've hung out in each other's houses, we show off our new minions/mounts/etc, we chat, we do content, in general we have fun.

That's what it's like if you stick around and actually bother to meet people and make friends.

You say everyone is missing your point, we're not. The housing system is flawed, everyone knows that already. If you think this is some sort of news flash, you are incorrect. Squeenix may fix it or may not. You've made it clear you have no intention of playing again, the majority has already made it clear that they will.

You come here to stir up drama, However you CHOSE to give up your house and you CHOSE to let all your stuff be deleted. This was AFTER you had left the game after playing for a year. Then you waited two years till someone gave you a FREE pass and you used it not to play but to come here and complain about a game you haven't played in TWO YEARS. Move on already.

[Rydian]

I quit this game about two years ago.

[Geryth]

Even with all that said, you really can't be mad at SE. What you are trying to do is shift the blame for the loss of your time and virtual goods onto SE. While the system has very terrible aspects that we can both wholeheartedly agree on, you were given notice. Even if they decided to go with demoing houses in favor of active players, you were advised of such. You made the conscious choice to ignore the warnings. Your personal feelings in regards to the housing situation should not be ignored, but wanting to pas sthe buck to SE for not heeding their warnings is your own fault. If you only intended to take that short break and had intended to return before the deletion of goods, the demolition of housing would not have mattered to you. You would not have been affected. You chose to boycott the system and voted with your wallet. You boycott was heard as was others, and the decision was made to move forward with the demo plans regardless. You took this risk. If you want to be mad, you need to be mad at yourself for losing your stuff. You can be mad at SE for having a system that punishes people the way it does.

Edit: you know what? I think I will read the other posts for your sake. might reform my opinion one way or the other.

I can be mad at SE for choosing a solution that severely punishes players, when it never had to be that way, when they promised it would never be that way. SE decided to demo houses to take care of their other issues, and SE deleted the content. So I decided not to pay for the game any longer, unable to support such a terrible design. You can say that was "my choice" all you want, but SE developed and implemented that strategy. I was not the one who deleted my content. Just because they said they were going to do it does not absolve them of any wrong-doing.

[Dark-Saviour]

goes directly against what they said they were going to do with housing by never associating it with a subscription.

Just want to throw this one back out there as well since I found it again:

Personal Housing

While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

from
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1685344

Same area. Different issue. Still salty.

[Skivvy]

Just want to throw this one back out there as well since I found it again:

from
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1685344

Same area. Different issue. Still salty.

Your quote has absolutely nothing to do with his comment. :X Pretty sure he is referring to the following:



Ignore! I fail at reading comprehension at times :X