I Love 4.0 Summoner. A lot.

[Letz]

Lastly, both Contagion and Radiant will time up with TA and other 60 sec cd's. Tri-D, Aetherflow, one Akh Morn and Shadow Flare will too. So, points about RDM's increased utility are valid, but I'd it's at least even for both classes as far as synergy goes.

I do agree with you 100% that HW abilities were amazing additions to the class and SB abilities are lackluster in comparison, especially Devotion, which is utterly useless.

The only thing you've thrown out as far as RDM being complex and rewarding is using the melee combo. I know people who find using it safely and efficiently in Savage annoying, but not "complex". It just sounds like an inherent part of the class that will be annoying and difficult on certain fights, like BLM's inability to move a lot.

[Letz]

So maybe the problem here is that Red Mage is overtuned, and is rewarding far too much dps for the effort. Currently, I have 96ish percentile on O2s on my Summoner for example. That number puts me ahead of the vast majority of Rdm's, but, therefore, if they increased Summoner's potential dps, that would be too high imo compared to blm and monk.

The issue is the average summoner can't keep up with the average Rdm when rdm is so much easier to play at a competitive level due to more straightforward job design.

[Axxion]

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...9a&oe=5986A77E

found this recently is this how the rotation look like? just wondering

[Letz]

That looks pretty good, but I put Tri-D right before deathflare in the first DWT and ruin 2 right after the deathflare so that you can use both AF and fester before the first Ruin 3. I know it's not too important right now to move the festers up more quickly, since you'll still end up waiting on DWT to come off cooldown anyway before getting to use it the 2nd time, but I'm hoping getting our Spell Speed down to minimum for BiS will have us waiting on Fester's cooldown instead of DWT.

Also, I'm not sure if it's clear in that picture or not, but I make the Ruin 3 prepull and press Contagion right before Ruin 3 goes off. I'm sure that's the diagram's suggestion too, but I wasn't sure.

[ShaolinMike]

That looks pretty good, but I put Tri-D right before deathflare in the first DWT and ruin 2 right after the deathflare so that you can use both AF and fester before the first Ruin 3. I know it's not too important right now to move the festers up more quickly, since you'll still end up waiting on DWT to come off cooldown anyway before getting to use it the 2nd time, but I'm hoping getting our Spell Speed down to minimum for BiS will have us waiting on Fester's cooldown instead of DWT.

Also, I'm not sure if it's clear in that picture or not, but I make the Ruin 3 prepull and press Contagion right before Ruin 3 goes off. I'm sure that's the diagram's suggestion too, but I wasn't sure.

By delaying Tri-Disaster until the end of DWT, you miss out on buffing all those free Ruin III's with Ruination.

[Letz]

By delaying Tri-Disaster until the end of DWT, you miss out on buffing all those free Ruin III's with Ruination.

The Ruin 3's don't start until after the DWT has ended, so it actually makes more sense to wait until the end of the DWT to use Tri-D.

[PriyaJugulataris]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...e_adjustments/

“I believe we’ll have to do several changes to to the system (for SMN) but that will take time.”
“For now we’ll do the adjustments we can based on the data.”

[Letz]

And, like I said, that is only on the first DWT. All the subsequent ones I use it at the beginning.

[KarstenS]

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...9a&oe=5986A77E

found this recently is this how the rotation look like? just wondering

I've seen this too.

Just one modification:



For not loosing damage the red marked block has to be played without any interupt. Not just the trance at the end.

Coming back to this ranking:



Here the SMN is at the lower end.

Then look at the Numbers of the SSS calculator. Only SAM and BLM need higher damage to beat the dummy.

Do SE play the SMN so different than we?

The last run in O2S I got to a 82% ranking while still noticing little and medium issus in my gameplay. But when I do the dummy I have much trouble to beat it with just some little issues and without medium or higher ones.

[Letz]

Here the SMN is at the lower end.

Then look at the Numbers of the SSS calculator. Only SAM and BLM need higher damage to beat the dummy.

Do SE play the SMN so different than we?

Not necessarily. I use this rotation, pretty much, and I can take care of the SSS dummies. Again, I think we're overestimating the players that use the SSS dummies in the first place, look up rotations to use, and are able to execute mechanics while dps'ing. Add to that the un-intuitive and complicated changes to SMN in 4.0, and the unfair punishment of dying as a Summoner compared to the other dps classes (which DOES need to be fixed, no question), and that's probably why Smn is at the bottom.