My absence and return - thoughts on demolished houses

[Geryth]

You may think its not fair that someone loses the house after 45 days of not logging in but think of all the active playing people who want a house and didn't get the chance to buy one (the reasons for that don't matter). Is it fair that buying a house still gets blocked by someone who doesn't even log in and/or doesn't pay a sub? I don't think so. And even if they would increase the time there would be people who complain that its not enough.

After 12 pages and we're still getting these comments. Since the very first page, people continue to bring up "but what about the active subscribers who would like a house".

I've said it for 12 pages and I said it in my original post that housing demolition is absolutely required in the current model they have set up.

1. It never had to be that way, and it never should have been (especially given that they promised housing would never be tied to a subscription, they should have changed the model for that reason alone)
2. That doesn't mean they have to delete all our furnishings with it.

Let's bring it back to the point of my post:

Deleting my items/furnishings discourages me from wanting to pay for this game again.

[hydralus]

Well considering the point I was making yes. I was just stating that in my ten years of playing mmos I have seen it to be very common for active players to be unable to log in for around 45 days due to very common events that happen in life.

And in my experience, it was always commonly accepted as just something that made sense and people who got too busy or lost interest for long chunks of time never made a big deal about losing their virtual house. It's a virtual house; not a real one.

As Skivvy already pointed out, housing in FF can grant a very significant financial advantage to players...

Housing used to its full capabilities is most certainly not only cosmetic. This is why players are demanding change.

Actually I think Skivvy was pointing out that it is a very limited advantage and almost entirely cosmetic, as opposed to a game like Archeage. And that's true to an extent; Lord knows that crafting/gathering are kings when it comes to making gil (oodles of worthless, worthless gil).

You can't do any cross planting without a house, which means you will have to fork out hundreds of thousands of gil for Thavnairian Onions (which most players need at some point), Jute for weavers or for the seeds/already grown minions.

Hundreds and thousands of gil isn't much. I have alts where I don't even do any gathering/crafting and they've got 8 million gil just sitting on them from quests and item drops. Things -shouldn't- be stupidly easy to acquire all the time.

[Roegan]

I quit this game about two years ago. When I learned that I was forced to enter my house at least once every 45 days,

You do get to take a break. 45 days - about 6 weeks. Thats a long time to be gone from an MMO. Gives you a chance to take a break if a break is all you intend on, and if you are gone longer, chances are high that you have quit therefore won't be needing the house.

[Roegan]

Firstly, I absolutely understand the need to purge inactive houses, especially after coming back and seeing that every single house of every single ward of every single city are occupied on my server. but I disagree with the notion that someone who owns a house has to perpetually remain active to keep it.

You've contradicted yourself here. Your post makes no sense. If you understand the need to purge inactive houses why are you complaining your house was purged whilst you were admittedly inactive for 2 years? Or is that only other peoples houses can be purged, but yours must be kept intact otherwise you become "livid" ?

[Roegan]

Secondly the permanent deletion of my content. But not everyone is in that boat, I'm sure thousands of people went inactive, never saw the warning emails, and got blind-sided with permanent deletions. This is a huge issue. I had millions of gil invested.

This is the only part of your post that I kind of agree with. They could devise a system where your plot gets demolished but the items within are placed in retainer / player inventory or something. Or mailed to you.
However once again you fail to make sense here. You knew that you were going to lose your house, you knew you were going to lose your items, now you've come back and are acting as though this is some massive surprise and is upsetting you and deterring you from re-subbing but you knew you'd lost your house and items before you came back, if its such a big issue why are you back?

Sorry triple post - Char limit.

[Paladinleeds]

Really? I think it's a bit on the long side. Every MMO I've played that had limited housing gave you a month (EQ2, Asheron's Call), and Archeage (The only MMO in recent memory to not do instanced housing) gave you 2 weeks. Not only that but they all made you pay rent for upkeep.

Alright then, 50 million billion gil a day rent, must spend at least 18 hours of the day in the house, if you fail to pay it or be in the house enough, you are banned from housing for 50 years (that is to say, you cannot own or even enter any house on your entire SE account, and any SE accounts that are found to be using the same payment method would get linked through it and also given the ban). No recompense. Would THAT be strict enough for you? If the current system is considered too lenient, I want to see just how extreme and punitive people would like to see it go.

Sorry triple post - Char limit.

Edit your previous post, it bypasses the character limit.

[Skivvy]

Edit your previous post, it bypasses the character limit.

I normally just type my full reply, copy it, and then submit a post with "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx". Go back to edit it right away, paste in my full message from before.

[hydralus]

Would THAT be strict enough for you?

Sure, nobody owning any housing seems fair.

If the current system is considered too lenient, I want to see just how extreme and punitive people would like to see it go.

1 month is pretty standard and as an owner of 2 houses I'd agree to it. I won't bitch too much about 45 days but just saying it seems a bit long.

[Roegan]

Edit your previous post, it bypasses the character limit.

OH! I knew there must be a way cos other people seemed to make long posts! Many thanks

[Geryth]

You've contradicted yourself here. Your post makes no sense. If you understand the need to purge inactive houses why are you complaining your house was purged whilst you were admittedly inactive for 2 years? Or is that only other peoples houses can be purged, but yours must be kept intact otherwise you become "livid" ?

You have completely misunderstood everything I've said.

I made no contradictions. I know they need to demolish houses with the current model. It's the fact they went the route of demolishing houses, instead of fixing the root of the issue (limited housing), that I decided to turn my small break into a more permanent one. I won't financially support a design that holds houses hostage to a subscription.

I have no clue why so many people seem to think I've said anything to the effect of "I took a two year break and you destroyed my house wah wah wah". No. I was only taking a 1 or 2 month break. I disagreed with design so strongly, I decided it wasn't worth my money, and purposefully let my house get demolished. I knew the rules and I could have saved it, but I choose not to, voting with my dollars. Thus I'm here, today, making a post, telling Square Enix, "I've missed this game and I want to give you more of my money. But you implemented an awful design and destroyed millions of gil worth of my items. It makes me not want to come back."

However once again you fail to make sense here. You knew that you were going to lose your house, you knew you were going to lose your items, now you've come back and are acting as though this is some massive surprise and is upsetting you and deterring you from re-subbing but you knew you'd lost your house and items before you came back, if its such a big issue[B] why are you back?

I'm not back. I'm riding on a 7 day free login gift. This was no surprise. Where did I say I was surprised? Again, I turned my break into a permanent hiatus because I wasn't going to pay for a game that was going to hold my house hostage to a subscription. With the 7 day free login, I was thinking about maybe subscribing again (apartments are a great compromise, provided they keep the design that they never get deleted). But the better designed apartments or no, they deleted my stuff. It makes me not want to resub.