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  1. #201
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    Tal Young
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    Quote Originally Posted by demonofelru View Post
    The other Warriors of Light are referenced by Mimodi if you start in Uldah. She mentions the heroes that saved them previously (1.0 players). The Warriors of Light from 1.0 still exist and the cinematic at the beginning of 2.0 shows there are more than one.
    The canon on this is not questionable. The game straight up says there is more than one Warrior of Light. Game trumps lore book.
    Momodi (and the NPCs at the other adventurer guilds) mention brave adventurers who fought at the Battle of Carteneau in an attempt to prevent the calamity, they are commonly referred to as the 'Warriors of Light' because no one is able to remember them properly and instead when trying to recall them see only silhouettes surrounded by bright light.

    Your character ends up as the replacement for these Warriors of Light (except legacy players, who I believe get slightly different dialogue.)

    Echo users are reasonably plentiful though, more adventurous echo users should for the most part not be that far away from us capability wise. You do after all tend to take 7 of them with you when fighting Primals.
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    Last edited by Jandor; 08-02-2017 at 03:35 AM.

  2. #202
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    Quote Originally Posted by demonofelru View Post
    The other Warriors of Light are referenced by Mimodi if you start in Uldah. She mentions the heroes that saved them previously (1.0 players). The Warriors of Light from 1.0 still exist and the cinematic at the beginning of 2.0 shows there are more than one.
    The canon on this is not questionable. The game straight up says there is more than one Warrior of Light. Game trumps lore book.
    The innkeeper of your starting city-state says that they were given the title Warrior of Light, meaning there were, not that there are. At this point the title exclusively refers to the person with the Blessing of Hydaelyn, of which there is only one. There are plenty of other Echo users, but not other Warriors of Light.
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  3. #203
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    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaTaru72 View Post
    If that's how you feel then why are you even here? Lol.
    Because despite what you may think, theres more to the game than the crappy story content. I like the combat, the crafting systems, I enjoy the aesthetics of the game. And I like having player housing, something World of Warcraft didn't offer me.

    I love FFXIV. I just think the story is total crap.
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  4. #204
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    Slevin Impudicus
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    I had issues with the rescue of Krile. First of all, I was disappointed that she was not killed on the spot, but that's just a personal viewpoint on her entire race. When she was pulled from the box, I saw all of these other closed boxes and wondered why we didn't put her back and spin the wheel for a chance at a better reward. Why didn't we at least check the other boxes?

    One dark direction I hope they go... both Lyse and Alisae made comments to the effect that they felt relatively powerless in their roles... that they wished they could have MY power (literally said this). Umm, looks like they can with the benefit of technology, right? I could see either/both of them following the path to acquire power through questionable means "for the greater good" (to protect their people/follow in Luisoix's powerful footsteps). It's obvious that the WoL is being seen more and more as a tool. One growing in power that needs to be controlled or perhaps "transferred"? Lyse is a poser who has no real reason to be in her position. This must make her feel terribly guilty and inadequate. Alisae is growing in power and attitude. Perhaps not fast enough to suit her needs. Come on SE! Give us Darth Alisae and Darth Lysius (for comic relief)!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark-Saviour View Post
    Where was this said though?
    The end has them refer to him as an experiment and a monster, but we don't know if that's only with respect to the modifications he had done to himself or if there's more to it. It feels like there's more to it, but they never elaborated.

    And as for the resonance thing:
    1) That shouldn't put him above us. Lyse et al? Sure.
    2) Did he even have that ability at the start? It was specifically stated that he wanted Krile alive and the first we explicitly see of the whole resonance thing is after she has been hooked into the machine. It could be possible he already had echo-users in the other chambers, but it was never mentioned. If he did, then I don't know why the capture of Krile was so critical. And we also apparently abandoned them after freeing her?
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  5. #205
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niraves View Post
    Because despite what you may think, theres more to the game than the crappy story content. I like the combat, the crafting systems, I enjoy the aesthetics of the game. And I like having player housing, something World of Warcraft didn't offer me.

    I love FFXIV. I just think the story is total crap.
    Tli find that acceptable. Lol. That's why I played through Heavensward.
    Hated that story but I still love the game.
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  6. #206
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    Quote Originally Posted by demonofelru View Post
    The canon on this is not questionable. The game straight up says there is more than one Warrior of Light. Game trumps lore book.
    Even if the lore in both is written by Koji Fox? Also lets not forget that it also depends on the language. And we know that canonically we did Azys Lla completely alone which means that we defeat Regula, the whole dungeon, two Ascians and Thordan and his 12 knights alone. And lots of other primals do not make sense with other people there. In the end everyone can interpret it how they want but its definitely still questionable.
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    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

  7. #207
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cenerae View Post
    After beating Fordola, we knew that Zenos had the same source of power. But we also needed a special device to weaken Fordola so we could best her in combat. We employed no special tactics against Zenos, we just beat him down like anyone else. Which implies that Fordola is far stronger than Zenos (which is not how the story presents it).

    As for Omega damaging Shinryu heavily, I want to point out that a relatively long time went by in game time between Omega and Shinryu fighting, and us getting to fight Shinryu. It certainly didn't look very hurt when we went to battle it, and I doubt that it being imprisoned by the Garleans had done more than make it really angry.

    I'll take your point about the eyes, though. Though I suspect that Shinryu would have tried to raid somewhere with a lot of crystals, were it running out of aether to stay corporeal.
    Zenos vs Fordola, I don't think it implies that she is stronger than Zenos. Like we have seen powers the Echo can give varies wildly from the pedestrian understanding all language to flat out being able to become/control a primal. Where Fordola could see/feel disturbances in Aether to know what attack we were about to do without a trick it would've been a stalemate since our Echo gives us the same power essentially. Zenos' echo has yet to have been explained, it could be an entirely new form of the echo we are dealing with. Or it could be as simple as he is a battle hardened BA, and our journey to Level 70 along with our 3 'adventurer' companions were finally strong enough to over power him to the point where he needed to use his Echo.

    Don't Primals also require fervent belief in them to maintain themselves as well? That is most likely why we defeated Shinryu, with everyone at the wall who 'believed' in the liberation of Ala Mihgo being mostly dead there are no faithful followers for him to feed on. Add into it that we don't exactly know how primals 'heal' perse. We saw that Bahamut needed the Coils not only to contain him but to restore himself, I don't recall reading anything about a primals ability to naturally heal itself like a physical being living being. I would assume it would need to absorb more aether which would require followers/crystals.
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  8. #208
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    I still find it bad that Zenos was utterly trashing us at Rhalgrs reach..I still cant truly believe that he is stronger than all the void beasts in the 24 man runs, stronger than Thordan and his 12 knights, which were empowered by the dragon eyes, a thousand years of prayers, Lahabrea and the warring triad (and who we defeated alone..), also the two ascians which are masters of the echo and Regula and all the stuff in that dungeon..Also lets not forget that the fight against Nidhogg or the WoD did also not make us stronger (as in level up). So I am not sure if him being lvl 70 (ingame) is a good reason for him to be stronger, since I cant believe that things like levels truly exist in lore. (Otherwise a mere small animal in the new areas could defeat all the stuff we did at lvl 50) And its not like we did not fought impressive, nearly impossible otherworldly beings after reaching lvl 60, yet we never got a increase. Yet we never go against true monsters, other than two primals (which we also did in HW after lvl60), and still level up to 70.

    It should have ended in a draw or maybe the WoL could have been hit by him while he was protecting someone else thus not able to fight fully back.

    Generally the artificial echo being something that will power up people massively feels like a bad way to bring others to our level. I was already able to defeat Fordola twice before she turned into a Resonant. And suddenly she needed an deus ex machina item from Urianger to defeat her. We have the echo too and we are powerful..so why exactly do our enemies have that much of an advantage over us? Why could we still defeat beings like the ascians, master of the echos, without such a device (we could just not permanently kill them without massive amount of aether but we could still defeat them in a fight) yet a mere human that was experimented on, is suddenly able to use it very well and even better than us.

    In the end I truly hope that this resonant stuff will end in a bad way for those that try it.
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    Last edited by Alleo; 08-04-2017 at 09:59 PM.
    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

  9. #209
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    I'm really itching for 4.1 after seeing how open-ended SB's conclusion was compared to HW, which obviously left some loose strings

    I think it's a given we'll be helping Ala Mhigo and Doma to re-establish themselves as nations, but I'm curious as to just what the empire is going to inevitably do to push us into moving into their territory.
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  10. #210
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    IDK. I felt that the SB story was the strongest to be honest. It was told in whole without any real amount of filler type fetch quests. I'm not say it's perfect. But if you think 2.0's story was better then SB's then frankly you're nuts. Nothing even happens in 2.0's story till you fight Garuda at lvl 35.
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