[SPOILERS] Stormblood Ending

[Daralii]

I must have missed this ingame (or the German dialog was again different) but was it really said that its not a shield against tempering? I mean this goes against anything we know ingame and our shield against Lakshimi also goes against this. Also we saw with Ifrit what will happen with those without the echo so it must protect us from something. It might just be that on top of not being tempered by them, one could overpower them with it and control them too.

In English at least, he says something like "Does it truly protect you from a primal's tempering? Or does it mean your influence is greater than theirs?" I'd have to rewatch the cutscene for the exact dialogue.

[Alleo]

In English at least, he says something like "Does it truly protect you from a primal's tempering? Or does it mean your influence is greater than theirs?" I'd have to rewatch the cutscene for the exact dialogue.

Thanks for the info.

Well I am just not sure if we should trust Zenos on this, since we dont know how many good information they have about the echo. They do not believe in any kind of gods so technically Hydaelyn does not exit for them so maybe its their interpretation of it. (And it does sound a bit grander that one is immune because they have the stronger will. So maybe they like that explanation better)

But the question remains: when did he learn? Until we know that, it's not fair to blame anyone but her family, who definitely knew.

Exactly. And I just cant believe that the whole of Doma was in this. At the same time this was quite some years ago thus most of the adult ones from that time are elderly people right now..so all the younger people she killed had nothing to do with that. So yes even if some more people knew about this, it does not change the fact that she enjoyed it and took it out on people that were nothing more than children when it happened to her.

Maybe there was a spy in Yotsuyus army that learned about her history or maybe she herself made it known in one of her speeches.

@Belhi: I am quite sure that we do understand her past but this does not change the fact that she did commit horrible things and liked it. And even if she herself sees whole Doma at fault for this, it does not mean that we have to see the world through her eyes and agree with that. (Not that I am saying that you are saying that) And lets be honest, a society where things like that are not happening anymore is more like an utopia because in the end you will never be able to truly stop such things if they are happening behind closed doors. Hien might try to change things but as long as each human being has their free will, things like that will still happen.

@Theodric: Were exactly did we state that Doma is a flawless state? We just want to point out that its not good to say that the whole people in Doma are responsible for Yotsuyu thus should not suffer under it. And since we dont know how many even knew about this, its even worse to say that anyone might be at fault and that the old Doma was just bad. We simply dont know this.