What's up with healers not healing?

[Avatre]

The occasional Verraise and Manashift? Mwah. The best.

I feel pretty strongly about them not having to do that sort of thing outside of Savage though, unless they are feeling really charitable (though I am sure Verraise will be pretty handy in the upcoming 24-man).

That's the thing. There are healers who expect it so that they can DPS. Honestly, I only use Verraise if someone has been down for a bit, healers are low on MP, or it's a healer and the tanks are taking loads of damage and the living healer can't due to swiftcast being on CD. Manashift is similar, if a healer is 1/4 MP I will do so(or if they just got ressed...sometimes said healer dies within a few seconds so Manashift is wasted). Same with Vercure, if I see the tanks need healing more than me, I will top myself up if the healer(s) are focused solely on the tank(doesn't happen often).

[missybee]

That's the thing. There are healers who expect it so that they can DPS.

Well those people are dingdongers.

We can do some deeps, but it isn't going to compare to what a RDM can do going ham.

Healers shouldn't expect red mages to be their back-up / mana battery. This isn't XI.

[Namida-Hikari]

Well those people are dingdongers.

Healers shouldn't expect red mages to be their back-up / mana battery. This isn't XI.

But they are... I play RDM and yes, I love helping the healer of the team when it's needed and, above all WHEN I DECIDE TO. When the healer is new, or undergeared, I will gladly help him. But Let's be honest I've been kicked 3, maybe 4 times, because the WHM was dpsing and I wasn't healing the tank properly or did not raise the other DPS while our healer was spamming holy. Giving some VerCure is A BONUS, not the way for RDM have to play all the time. The problem with the community is that players decide for others how they should play. Healers SHOULD NOT kick RDM just because they don't do enough heal (while those same healers spend all their mana to dps) and they SHOULD NOT expect for others to do their job.

[Tyranade]

<snip>The people who are called lazy are the ones who are at level 70 and experienced and choose to do nothing (when no healing is required) when they could instead choose to be helpful and DPS. The healers who stand still, jump around or /dance while watching the rest of their team work. These are the players that get on other players' nerves, not the ones who are trying to play their job well and be helpful to their party but are new and only just learning (or have other things that prevent them from playing the job fully).

Thank you for that, it makes sense.

[Aethaeryn]

But Let's be honest I've been kicked 3, maybe 4 times, because the WHM was dpsing and I wasn't healing the tank properly or did not raise the other DPS while our healer was spamming holy. Giving some VerCure is A BONUS, not the way for RDM have to play all the time.

Why would anyone kick you for not casting vercure? When I'm healing, it annoys the shit out of me when the RDM is wasting dps time to vercure himself or the tank. No one has ever asked or implied that I should heal when I red mage. I could see someone kicking you for doing single target dps on a huge trash pull in that situation, but not because you weren't healing. Man, people who post here have the strangest experiences. Maybe it's an EU datacenter thing? Or SMN mains who are really bitter about your dualcast raise and int-based heal.

[Mirakumi]

Went into PoD and wiped on floor 190~ didn't help that the dps knocked the add the wrong way, but also didnt help that the healer, which i told the fight is rough to heal, started dpsing and half way through couldn't recover mana and we wiped. I mean, common tank tells you expect tank busters and you dps till your manas shot. and then "im out of mana" when it happens. and you're surprised lol.

[NorthernLadMSP]

When I'm healing, it annoys the shit out of me when the RDM is wasting dps time to vercure himself or the tank.

You and me both.

[technole]

Yeah, RDM Vericure is fine if someone was just raised by a red mage or something, but to do normal heal top-off work as a RDM, that's a bit much and you should be re-rolling to a healer if you want to do that stuff.

Paladin also has no reason to be doing top-up Clemency work either, because that MP should be going to Requiescat and Holy Sprit damage. You build up the Oath gauge by doing so and proc more Sheltrons to block more damage. So yes, it's really dumb to be playing Paladin healer unless a green healer is dead or something.

[Paladinleeds]

Paladin also has no reason to be doing top-up Clemency work either, because that MP should be going to Requiescat and Holy Sprit damage.

-_- I had that happen to me yesterday. Had a PLD tank in Shisui that if he was under 80% 90% of his health he would just Clemency. Even though I would often go Benefic 2 -> Essential Dignity (dependent on how low his health was) -> Aspected Benefic. It would fill his health up so much it just wasted his Clemency. Ok occasionally I would mess up and his Clemency would save it, but it wasn't all that often. In fact more often than not his Clemency meant either he or I overhealed. I think I counted 70 uses of Clemency in that dungeon.

[technole]

-_- I had that happen to me yesterday. Had a PLD tank in Shisui that if he was under 80% of his health he would just Clemency. Even though I would often go Benefic 2 -> Essential Dignity (dependent on how low his health was) -> Aspected Benefic. It would fill his health up so much it just wasted his Clemency. Ok occasionally I would mess up and his Clemency would save it, but it wasn't all that often. In fact more often than not his Clemency meant either he or I overhealed. I think I counted 70 uses of Clemency in that dungeon.

The majority of DF Paladins I ran into are subpar to horrible, and it's breath of fresh air to see one actually use Requiescat and Holy Sprit, things die quicker and you end up blocking more damage, which helps the healer DPS more. Instead you get the crappy top-up Clemency ones that up making AST ED and SCH Excog be wasted or not as potent because they depend on lower HP.