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    Rasylia's Avatar
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    Rasylia S'ial
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    You'll hit enrage even with best dps on last raids without healers/tanks help until you are overgeared or with echo. Lazy healers don't get clears until months later, when dps are geared enough to compensate for lacking party damage they refuse to provide.
    Yeah, and again, wea re not talking about worlds first or raid groups overall.
    Its about random groups in dungeons, trials and ex modes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasylia View Post
    Yeah, and again, wea re not talking about worlds first or raid groups overall.
    Its about random groups in dungeons, trials and ex modes.
    No matter what your job is, there's no excuse if you don't use 1/3 of your skills. By your logic SMN or RDM should never rez, and BRD should never Palisade or Troubadour because they are 'dps'. They are there only to attack!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    No matter what your job is, there's no excuse if you don't use 1/3 of your skills. By your logic SMN or RDM should never rez, and BRD should never Palisade or Troubadour because they are 'dps'. They are there only to attack!
    Stop putting words into my mouth.
    Your inability to stay on topic is saddening.
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    Aranie Crowley
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    No matter what your job is, there's no excuse if you don't use 1/3 of your skills. By your logic SMN or RDM should never rez, and BRD should never Palisade or Troubadour because they are 'dps'. They are there only to attack!
    Never seen a BRD palisade....ever xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watachy View Post
    C'était en fait SE qui survolait Ishgard sur une liasse de billets

    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    People don't know how to take criticism anymore, and bad play is rewarded with with a coddling mentality. Yes, this is a casual game for the most part - that doesn't mean people need to walk on eggshells in fear of getting reported for pointing out things. This whole 'please don't say anything even slightly negative' mentality that we seem to be going towards and the devs seemingly pushing towards it is creating a disturbing trend.

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    I healed the omega normal floors for the first time today and I'm even more confused about this topic than before. Floors 1-3 don't require barely any healing at all (and don't really have any tank busters), healing them for the first time I was able to do around 2k DPS in each as WHM (and sometimes had higher HPS than my cohealer so I didn't leave healing to them). In floor 4 some AoE healing was required for Meteors and other AoEs, but the tank busters did barely anything (and I was doing over 1k DPS on the first run I did there too). For most part in each floor, tank was well covered with Regen (+ Fairy if SCH co-healer) and occasional Assize / Asylum.

    I did not see healers who wouldn't heal, but instead some pretty impressive overhealing, such as casting Medica on the party while there were already two Medica II regens ticking on everyone and no incoming damage in near future, or Cure III on party while I had already Medica II ticking and used Assize as soon as an AoE hit landed...
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    Last edited by Taika; 08-09-2017 at 03:03 AM.

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    Liza Sol
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    Culinarian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Taika View Post
    but instead some pretty impressive overhealing, such as casting Medica on the party while there were already two Medica II regens ticking on everyone and no incoming damage in near future, or Cure III on party while I had already Medica II ticking and used Assize as soon as an AoE hit landed...
    You just described a lot of forum healers lol.
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    Mi An
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Taika View Post
    ...Floors 1-3 don't require barely any healing at all...
    O1 have Charybdis, an unavoidable aoe that makes the party go 1% hp. There it needs heavy and fast healing.
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    Last edited by LalaRu; 08-09-2017 at 06:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
    O1 have Charybdis, an unavoidable aoe that makes the party go 1% hp. There it needs heavy and fast healing.
    Charbydis is coming.
    After that Lightning Bolt YES/NO?
    Lightning Bolt YES!
    /cast Clemency @ OT
    /cast Clemency @ OT
    Lightning Bolt No!
    /cast Clemency @ Healer 1
    /cast Clemency @ Healer 2

    I have yet to see anyone notice or mention me doing that.
    In ANY dungeon. Or Raid. Or Extreme Trial.

    Clemency is on of the most awesome skills the Pld ever got. 95% of the tanks dont use it (made up number i evaluated after playing Whm/Sch/Blm/Smn) and when i do it, noone cares.

    A bit sad considering it saves people on a regular basis...
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    Last edited by Rasylia; 08-09-2017 at 06:43 PM.

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    Ali Lifesaver
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    Marauder Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Rasylia View Post
    Clemency is on of the most awesome skills the Pld ever got. 95% of the tanks dont use it (made up number i evaluated after playing Whm/Sch/Blm/Smn) and when i do it, noone cares.
    Because unless the run is heading towards a wipe your clemency isn't helping as much as you think it is, if I'm saving a lustrate or tetra for a tank buster I'm not gonna sit there and wait to see if a PLD is gonna use clemency, I'm gonna heal regardless of what you do, most healers will either plan their heals without your clemency or react to damage as soon as they see it instead of waiting for your clemency.

    So the rule of thumb is, burn MP on holy spirit unless the run is heading towards a wipe, the faster you kill the boss the less likely mistakes will happen and the 400 potency holy spirit helps with this.
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by alimdia View Post
    Everything
    I disagree. The Twillight Bolt after Charbydis is a tankbuster with what... 30k Dmg on both? So, me casting 2x Clemency is allready ensuring that both tanks won't be dying.
    If, e.g. one healer didnt pay attention and is only AOE-Healing instead of boosting up us tanks, that can allready mean the OT will die.

    Noone said Clemency prevents wipes when you are closing in on it. But it defenitely ensures a much smoother and safer run.
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