What happened to SB (story)?

[CosmicKirby]

Ilberd didn't need any crystals for his summoning. He had Nidhogg's eyes to provide all the energy he needed. And Cosmic Kirby was wrong about the Ala Migan's not having any religious zeal: They died full of hate, praying for vengeance. They were the ones doing the summoning, Ilberd merely shaped their hate. He was the one who decided it had to be a dragon.

faith
noun
1.
complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
"this restores one's faith in politicians"
synonyms: trust, belief, confidence, conviction; More
2.
strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

re·li·gion
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.


Faith is often used as a more nebulous 'belief' or unreasoned trust or desire for/in something. (IE, one can have 'faith' that their friend won't betray them, they aren't being religious for this faith.) Religion is very much a group or organized amalgam of faith. Compare and contrast someone having 'faith' or being spiritual, vs someone involved in the catholic church.

This may just be the localization team stepping on their own toes here, but I think a core component of religion is the practitioners have to be somewhat consistent in beliefs. And them being 'religious' and yet summoning a primal that has NO religion tied to it at all, (Much worse, is somehow recognizable by DOMANS of all people.) makes no sense and can likely just be amounted to fan service. (And, again, the giant bugbear in the room is that the Ala Mhigans would have summon Rhalgr himself, yet for reasons that can only be described as author Fiat, they did not.)

Aside: The main problem with things like Illberd or Lakshmi being very poorly explained summonings of primals, is that the 'rules' of summoning primals get progressively more flimsy. This results in damaging, (at least mine) one's sense of disbelief. If Primals are so 'easy' to summon, there should be far more of them running about at any given time. We've seen them summoned by accident even, this should be a much more common occurrence.

[Daralii]

And them being 'religious' and yet summoning a primal that has NO religion tied to it at all, (Much worse, is somehow recognizable by DOMANS of all people.) makes no sense and can likely just be amounted to fan service. (And, again, the giant bugbear in the room is that the Ala Mhigans would have summon Rhalgr himself, yet for reasons that can only be described as author Fiat, they did not.)

Ilberd died thinking of Bahamut, wanting a primal to surpass him. That and Nidhogg's eyes are why he created a dragon. It was seen and named Shinryu by the Domans in Eorzea because they have legends about a serpentine dragon king, which isn't exactly surprising considering those are everywhere in Asia and the fact Midgardsormr exists.

[Xerxus___]

I'd say Zenos beating us was a slap in the face. If someone should rob us if everything and put us on the brink it shouldn't be Zenos but rather Elidibus. And it should happen in our highest high, not while we're slinging dirt with the rebels coming from another defeat which was Omega v Shinryu (I do not call any part of that situation anything less than humiliating on our part for playing straight into Ilberd's hands)

I hope what you say will occure, as Im kind of fed up beeing a hero or saving non stop, but rather that the Warrior of light needs saving.

I do know hes has to be a bit all happy ending sometimes for younger audience, but people from 25 and onwards see the world differently than teenagers from reality perspective, wich is why I sound cruel towards the story.

[CosmicKirby]

Ilberd died thinking of Bahamut, wanting a primal to surpass him. That and Nidhogg's eyes are why he created a dragon. It was seen and named Shinryu by the Domans in Eorzea because they have legends about a serpentine dragon king, which isn't exactly surprising considering those are everywhere in Asia and the fact Midgardsormr exists.

"Thinking of" is not religion.

If primals take on the form of the aether used to summon them, why aren't more primals crystaline? Shinryu is arbitrarily different in many ways, simply because the devs wanted to add him but had no beastribe set up to facilitate his model.
(And the Domans happening to have a nebulous serpentine dragon god is a massive hand wave. It doesn't just 'look like a thing they knew as Shinryu.' It IS Shinryu. That's it's name, it's what it is, they're entirely right. How did an Ala Mhigan summon that without knowing what it is?)

[Xerxus___]

I'd say Zenos beating us was a slap in the face. If someone should rob us if everything and put us on the brink it shouldn't be Zenos but rather Elidibus. And it should happen in our highest high, not while we're slinging dirt with the rebels coming from another defeat which was Omega v Shinryu (I do not call any part of that situation anything less than humiliating on our part for playing straight into Ilberd's hands)

No saying that teenagers not see the world like older audiences, but from the maturity of the story. Zenos had the appeal to destroy us, if they would of kept alive longer he would of been a worthy opponent, actually the only I respected as an enemy. I nust hope Elidibus takes us to the point where the WoL will have to use hes shear willpower and not the power of hydelin. As from the Warrior of Darkness they suffered more than our char, and thats missing.

[Dualgunner]

I hope what you say will occure, as Im kind of fed up beeing a hero or saving non stop, but rather that the Warrior of light needs saving.

I do know hes has to be a bit all happy ending sometimes for younger audience, but people from 25 and onwards see the world differently than teenagers from reality perspective, wich is why I sound cruel towards the story.

It's hard to have an MMO story where the pc loses, I feel, but even in that context we've fumbled and lost a lot. 2.5's ending, getting poisoned, letting Estinien get possessed, losing Haurchefant, losing the key to Azys Lla, the debacle at Baelsar's Wall, losing to Zenos, the current predicament with Omega... its easy to jump to the thought of us being unstoppable goliath beasts but we have plenty of defeats to our name too.

[RubyCirha]

I realy liked the sb story and content it's fun and chalenging and just interesting to do the susano fight made me feel like a bad a** just saying

[Galgarion]

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And this I think, is where you're getting your wires crossed. Humans of earth of Earth are people of faith. We believe lots of stuff that we hope is true. That isn't the same thing for the setting of FFXIV, though. The greater races of Eorzeans aren't "people of faith." They live in a world of Godly literalism. They don't believe that their world was created by a goddess in the shape of a large white crystal. They know that it was as a literal and demonstrable fact.

Louisoix himself wasn't a particularly religious man, but according to Alphanaud, he nearly "Unleashed the power of the twelve when he tried to bind Bahamaut. " If a Sharlyan agnostic can almost bring about ragnarok, then why couldn't a guy like Ilberd? The further the game's story goes, the more we learn that there are no rules set in stone when it comes to the gods. "If you have sufficient motivation, and enough resources, you can call up whatever you want", is basically what we've learned.

[Jandor]

Gemcrafting is a cornerstone of Ananta society. It's not exactly a stretch to think they had enough aether accumulated in all the jewels around them to unintentionally summon a primal.

The source of aether isn't a problem, it's the unintentional bit I find a bit silly. The idea that you can conjure a fully sentient mind controlling god that slowly kills the planet just by existing purely by accident is weird.

[Felis]

Primals are definitely getting a bit silly.
Originally they required huge piles of crystals

A huge load of aether.
Be it from piles of crystals, a light crystal (that will kill the owner of the light crystal) or from 2 dragon eyes

And a storm of emotions. It don't have to be religious emotions. I'm sure Tiamat had no religious emotions while she summoned her dead husband as a primal 5000 years ago.

Nothing against the slew of dragons who summoned Bahamaut, but even in their thousands, they were still small fry compared to Nid. Besides, it wasn't the power of their eyes that was being used to fuel Bah. The Alagans had crystals aplenty for that.

It was a single dragon who summoned Bahamut, not a slew

https://youtu.be/R3kTEy710Ss?t=85