Healer & Tank DPS (WoW vs FFXIV)

[Tufelhunden]

In a static group, sure I'll stance dance and dps. In finder or a PUG, rarely. Many times I've had to burn a cool down and use inner beast through the whole time and still almost die, because, yep you guessed it the healer is DPSing.

[Zarabeth]

In a static group, sure I'll stance dance and dps. In finder or a PUG, rarely. Many times I've had to burn a cool down and use inner beast through the whole time and still almost die, because, yep you guessed it the healer is DPSing.

I get complimented by tanks all the time because I heal and rarely dps. I do my best to keep everyone alive because I realize that DPS can out dps me for the most part. (I'm a WHM). If I have time, I'll toss out some DPS, but never at the expense of another player in the group. Letting others die because I'm going Holy Happy is just silly to me.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

If I have time, I'll toss out some DPS, but never at the expense of another player in the group. Letting others die because I'm going Holy Happy is just silly to me.

Congrats, you're better than most healers here and in game. 10/10.

[Cenerae]

I get complimented by tanks all the time because I heal and rarely dps. I do my best to keep everyone alive because I realize that DPS can out dps me for the most part. (I'm a WHM). If I have time, I'll toss out some DPS, but never at the expense of another player in the group. Letting others die because I'm going Holy Happy is just silly to me.

I don't think anyone in the thread has been claiming that you're supposed to DPS at the expense of doing your actual job. People that do that are stupid.

[Thoro39]

I don't think anyone in the thread has been claiming that you're supposed to DPS at the expense of doing your actual job. People that do that are stupid.

Exactly, her argument is a pretty moot and useless one. No one sane is arguing that a healer should abandon their healing duties for more DPS. Absolutely no one.

Love healers like you. I can go full DPS for the boss fights and just use the cooldowns for tank busters. Trash, yea I'm in deliverance for the IB mitigation so I don't have to blow cooldowns.

You should use your cooldowns on dungeon trash, because for the most part, Dungeon Trash hit for more damage than the Dungeon Bosses. Especially if you are a warrior with short defensive cooldown timers, your CD's will be ready by the next trash/dungeonboss if you use them early. Everytime vengeance sits unused for 2 minutes, you wasted a whole vengeance usage. The same applies for any cooldown.
Don't be an unnecessarily squishy Tank for 80% of the whole dungeon, just because you think you have to save your CD's exclusively for the other 20%, the bosses.

[Zarabeth]

I don't think anyone in the thread has been claiming that you're supposed to DPS at the expense of doing your actual job. People that do that are stupid.

I didn't say they did nor am I calling anyone stupid, that's unkind. I simply stated how I do things in reply to another post.

[Tufelhunden]

I get complimented by tanks all the time because I heal and rarely dps. I do my best to keep everyone alive because I realize that DPS can out dps me for the most part. (I'm a WHM). If I have time, I'll toss out some DPS, but never at the expense of another player in the group. Letting others die because I'm going Holy Happy is just silly to me.

Love healers like you. I can go full DPS for the boss fights and just use the cooldowns for tank busters. Trash, yea I'm in deliverance for the IB mitigation so I don't have to blow cooldowns.

[loreleidiangelo]

Love healers like you. I can go full DPS for the boss fights and just use the cooldowns for tank busters. Trash, yea I'm in deliverance for the IB mitigation so I don't have to blow cooldowns.

So this is just kinda like, passing the DPS buck then; as it were? I mean, either way the extra damage is coming from somewhere, whether it's you playing offensively or a healer playing offensively.

I guess my question to tanks would be, would you RATHER your healer dedicate 100% of their casts to keeping you above 90%, or would you rather see them sling damage even if it means you get down to sub-30% sometimes? It's not a derisive question, I'm just curious. I read on Gen Discussion a lot that healers DPSing seems to make tanks nervous even IF everything winds up okay, so I guess I'm just trying to get a feel for tanks' preference.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I read on Gen Discussion a lot that healers DPSing seems to make tanks nervous even IF everything winds up okay, so I guess I'm just trying to get a feel for tanks' preference.

As a tank, keep me over 50%ish and I'm happy, especially if it allows me to go ham with Deliverance. My issue with dpsing PUG healers is that oftentimes they wipe the raid by letting the MT die, both on bosses and on trash. It's extremely depressing to be sitting at 1 HP after exhausting all of my CDs and watching that Holmgang count down to death, while watching the healer spamming stone/malefic/broil.

[Tufelhunden]

Snip.

I can't speak for Palladin, but warriors don't get a damage reduction from being in tank stance, only a larger health pool and enmity. So after I've established agro, presuming the healer doesn't need the extra health to keep me up, going to dps stance is a no brainer. Now if the healer struggles I stay tank stance use IB to provide extra mitigation 20 percent for 6 seconds as fell cleaved doesn't provide any mitigation.