A consern about space efficieny since stormblood is not getting enough space increase

[Solarra]

does 2 dollars a retainer really break the bank for all y'all?

What if it does? Looking down on people with lower incomes and implying they should simply cut out a couple of luxuries and pay up is both rude and condescending. It is also totally missing the point. This is a subscription game, we shouldn't have to pay extra for basic utilities. Extra retainers are supposed to be a luxury, not absolutely necessary to play the game. The expanded Armoury was a step in the right direction but it isn't anywhere near enough, it's still hard to level multiple classes and store all the gear-sets needed for them along with their glamours.

I do agree that the currency tab should be expanded and that the Armoire needs to be made more useful. Quite a few times recently I've decided against buying glamour from the Mog-station because I know I'll have trouble storing it. If I could put it in the Amoire it would be different, but paying for the gear and then paying even more money to rent the space to store it is something I'm not prepared to do.

[Krotoan]

What if it does?

Playing an online game is a crazy luxury. You are spending both time AND money on something completely non productive. If you have the 12-15 dollars a month to pay for a subscription, it's hard to imagine someone who can't cough up 2 dollars per month for something else. If I had to worry about 2 dollars a month, the last thing I would be doing is playing video games.
I've gone for a long time with 2 free retainers. I only made the decision to grab the other 2 recently because it became more trouble than it was worth to parse down my crafting mats into expensive/rare only.

I'm not saying you HAVE to pay, just that the pricing for extra services in this game aren't unreasonable.


and before I get the "RENTING SPACE" argument: you are renting space already by subscribing, agreeing to rent MORE space isn't a sin.

[Shurrikhan]

you are renting space already by subscribing

I have a friend at a live-in workplace that included "room and board", a selling point at the time as the pay wasn't very good. But we're talking heavy labor, while breakfast was a donut and coffee, lunch a pb&j, and dinner similarly light.

Anything more required a meal plan, utterly absent from mention before he sold his apartment and started work there.

Here the meals, so to speak, are decent enough, but still not always proportionate to what would be expected for the full range of activity involved.

See why someone might feel cheated?

[Krotoan]

See why someone might feel cheated?

It's not that I don't understand your position, I get it. I sympathize as well. It's unpleasant that you cannot play the game as you like since you held up your end of the contract by paying your sub.
but I never expected more than more quests and content when i payed for my expansion , and fully expected to have to do better inventory management OR pay for more premium services to compensate.
the part I don't understand is people arguing that "other games do this... ". OK.. cool. This one doesn't and has never hidden what it is. There are free trials and many online resources to elaborate on how it plays out for what you pay.
You claim false advertisement, but I see no such claims made by SE.

[Snow_Princess]

Playing an online game is a crazy luxury. You are spending both time AND money on something completely non productive. If you have the 12-15 dollars amonth to pay for a subscription, it's hard to imagine someone who can't cough up 2 dollars per month for something else. If I had to worry about 2 dollars a month, the last thing I would be doing is playing video games.
I've gone for a long time with 2 free retainers. I only made the decision to grab the other 2 recently because it became more trouble than it was worth to parse down my crafting mats into expensive/rare only.

I'm not saying you HAVE to pay, just that the pricing for extra services in this game aren't unreasonable.


and before I get the "RENTING SPACE" argument: you are renting space already by subscribing, agreeing to rent MORE space isn't a sin.

I think you are mistaking a lack of seeing a desperate need for something as not wanting it. Sure, more efficient inventory management and a glamour log would be nice, i just dont see the burning need for it.

I am posting for:

Who did this recently:


Hello, I am still on the fence of quitting, 68 days is quite away. The TC is my tenant of the house I own in the background, and my sissy here is posting for me because I can't myself due to my forum name. I am a level 70-2star omni-crafter of balmung, along with having all DOW/DOM/DotL/DotH 60+, with 5-70s (1 tank, 2 healer, 1 range dps, 1 caster dps)

I glam every job, I specifically level 60-70 one at a time and seal gear because of inventory issues, even though I am going to need them again. I may keep some left, but for the most part I only save the 63 sets for glam, and the 300 sets to have a receptive Ilevel for that job to learn and do other things in. I also have a friend that does this very thing including the next I am about to say. I have a 309 AST and a 304 WHM, why? despite sharing gear? they can be both 309 easy. They are not because we glam EACH job! we would also like to have split glams for our gathers and crafters, but we lack room (armory) to do this. I keep my glam set on me with the job I am currently leveling while putting the rest in my primarily glam retainer who is overfilled at 175 spots and leak to others. I waste so much time and stress over lack of space.

I do not like some people claiming the issue is simply hordering. I can't even craft the 320 gear in a respectable amount of time because I have to keep selling off overflows because I have no room to hold it. I have no room to craft and all I am doing is making 50-70 things. Calling this a hording issue with all the stress I have to go though to craft such a small portion of the game is an insult. I have 8 retainers, it is not enough room, and these 8 retainers cost too much money. For non legacy monthly it is 27.99 a month, for me it is 117 for 6 months with legacy and 6 lump discount, what MNO charges that much money? Then tack on the overpriced items in the mog shop on top of that? and you do not understand why people feel ripped off? You make it sound people are just complaining about 2 dollars a month, they are not, they are complaining 4-12 dollars a month (plus a 9-15 dollar month sub) while not having enough room.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ers_nightmare/

Even if you think it is not desperate need, you still said it would be nice to have, so you should be simply supporting the thread, not insulting people and calling them horders. I can buy iron ore from a NPC in my house, same with Cotton Bolls and other such things. I can easly keep a stack of these on me so I am not wasting time running to the NPC everyone something sells that is based on it. Now I do not have the room to do that anymore so I use what I need at the time. It eats so much time I need to question why is 5-20 gil mat sold by a NPC doing in 50-70 synths for? It is not fun, it is item bloat, this game has too much items, this game has too much item currency bloat.

I asked my novice network to try get a more idea of what maybe the average player feels. I only had one person tell me they are thinking about quitting over this issue while the rest where confused. A few did not even know what a currency was, simply calling them a "misc item" I shown the definition of currency:

something (such as coins, treasury notes, and banknotes) that is in circulation as a medium of exchange

I have a retainer full of currency, and I tossed some recently that I hated doing but I needed to because of no room. It is ridiculous I am tossing out items I need simply because others are more important. We should not have so much currency as items.

Per retainer does not have enough space, we lack the ability to transfer between retainers directly, I do not have enough room to move items from retainer > myself (while moving items to that retainer as temp because I do not have enough room for one way) > move to 3-6 different retainers and keep repeating this. Once you do this enough times the slow loading of each retainer and the slow menu pop up and retainer menu bloat (and overall bad UI) gets on your nerves. Of all the problems holding this game back, this would be the biggest one, and seeing a thread have 197 likes should prove that.

I do not like doing ventures sometimes because of room issues, I hate getting some drops in dungeons because of room issues. I just want the retainers not to give me the useless items they find because I do not want to see it in my packed bag. This needs addressing.

[Krotoan]

..Even if you think it is not desperate need, you still said it would be nice to have, so you should be simply supporting the thread, not insulting people and calling them horders...
..I do not like doing ventures sometimes because of room issues, I hate getting some drops in dungeons because of room issues. I just want the retainers not to give me the useless items they find because I do not want to see it in my packed bag. This needs addressing

I don't think I've insulted anyone in this thread once. Intentionally anyway.
suggesting I blindly support someone because I agree with some of what they say is silly. I have my own take and will voice it.
agreed: Currency as items is silly and should be changed.
disagree: your stance on ventures and dungeons is strange to me, why do you HAVE to keep the items you get from ventures and dungeons? Sell/dis them immediately and don't roll on items you don't want/have space for in dungeons (drop trash pots/items).

I get this is all severely inconvenient for you and yes, I agree a lot of it could use work.

my particular situation I have all my DOH classes at 60 and 2/3 DOL are at 70, Unless I'm crafting something in particular I only keep things that are time locked or difficult to get in HQ. Everything else I can send a retainer for or purchase from an NPC.
I agree recipes are crazy complicated , especially culinarian. I am not saying your position is wrong, just that there are ways to mitigate it currently, all involve time investments though, so yeah... I guess I am paying for item bloat in one way or another.

Don't think I'm against you just because I have a few counter-points, I would love these things to be fixed, otherwise I would just silently sit and deal.
my main point is that the problem isn't the availability of retainers, it's the items themselves and the underlying way the servers deal with inventory.

[Snow_Princess]

I get this is all severely inconvenient for you and yes, I agree a lot of it could use work....
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I would love these things to be fixed, otherwise I would just silently sit and deal.
my main point is that the problem isn't the availability of retainers, it's the items themselves and the underlying way the servers deal with inventory.

If you want to see it changed, you truly are not countering the concept as a whole. We need as much support as we can to make this game a better place. Just because there are ways of dealing does not mean we should as paying customers. (I mean going to extremes, ofc everyone needs some responsibility in not hording items you would never use, at the same time SE should be removing little use items from the game anyway, since it takes up data on the MB and other things, so less items = less stress on the servers, and they keep saying servers are too stressed) Take this quote for example:

They're here because they give a ****. They want to love this game. They want to see it improve. Speaking up is the only thing they can do. When most people have problems with or get tired of this or any other game, do you know what they do? They leave without saying a word and never look back and that's not good for anyone. If the developers never think anything is wrong, how are they supposed to "fix" anything? And hey, it's probably safe to say nothing will come of this thread, but at least people can walk away knowing their was, at the very least, an attempt at a dialogue with SE.

The reason it was said you where implying insults, guess you can say you did it intentionally, was because you where basically saying this is fixed is paying 2 extra dollars a month and not a big deal, but I hope you see it is much more then that, at this point, like people having 8 and not having space. Then you got to consider another view on this and that is simply out of principle. Basically I never seen an announcement by SE explaining WHY we need to pay >SO MUCH< for retainers. (12 +15.99=27.99 sub) When they currency bloat our inventory and ask too much items to craft. Some items hover around 15? per synth, and there was math shown earlier what it would be like making all the yellow script gear from scratch. It is a bit extreme, as you are not going to have 270 stacks of 99 ores all at once to do it, but it was trying to show how much the game CAN REQUIRE item wise.

In the end, please note since SB, lack of inventory space greatly impacted how my friend played and level jobs. 50 > 60 for rdm and sam, using the 50 gear, then 60 gear her other jobs can share, then gave them their own glams and returning the original state of the ones she had for the others, then doing a single job 60>70 while sell sealing gear and repeat collecting them because she can't hold anything extra, and the cute 63 sets are the exception because it is glam gear. She is in danger of running out of space completely, blocking her from playing the game completely, and the reason she took out the renewal. If she can't play the game because of lack of space, then why pay to play? As an omnicrafter, she would also love to be able make more then she is able to, and lack of space right now is greatly resisting on what she can make, from holding glam gear and currencies for the retainers.

Take a look at deltascape for example of the latest currency bloat, 4 weeks to get a chest when that content was outdated in 2, why do this? or the Ixion Horn? If you are going to tell players they have more work to do to better use of their inventory, well guess what? SE does too, give and take, SE is not doing nothing and people had enough. All that money we paid for retainers could fund a better item management system.

In case you haven't been keeping up to date:

Q24. Please let us know if you’ve finalized the number of slots that will be added in the second Inventory and Armoury Chest expansion.

A24. Unless we change from the current method, we do not think we can add any more slots. There are other factors to consider, such as managing inventory through the upcoming app, so this will take a little more time. It would be difficult to implement it by 4.1, but it is not so far off.

Source

Also, something something customer feedback, something something issue doesn't concern you so other people's concern are invalid/unimportant.

Cut out retainers completely, give us a bank, time for change is now.

Final note from the person I am posting for:
If I am paying such a high amount to play this game, because of retainer cost, how much do I need to pay for inventory issues not exist? 30?40 a month? why can't they fix this from charging some people 27.99 a month? Even with my bundle discount and legacy I pay around $19.83 a month. Is there another MNO that costs this much + having inventory issues?

[NolLacnala]

why can't they fix this from charging some people 27.99 a month?

This is easy to answer, actually. Create a problem, then monetize the solution. Business 101.