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  1. #31
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    Atori Benitoki
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    I'd say lore and logic wise WoL should be someone like Kiritsugu.

    A little detour: Personally I don't like the approach of giving player a bland character so you can 'project' yourself on them. You see, as far as I'm concerned - no personality is also a personality. There is actions you forced to do, there is choices you forced to make. And it's not only words which make a person, but also action they take. So I'd say we should try to judge WoL personality according with his action to see if he is close to Zenos or not or what personality is plausible according to them.

    Now it's hard to properly judge a person when SE tries to show story of war, murder etc. through shounen prism. Logically WoL is someone with a lot of blood on his hands, and such person have to either lose empathy in order to take it or you'll end up with someone with mental issues. And it's really doesn't look like that WoL lost his empathy. So Kiritsugu from Fate/Zero fits nice here - he want to be a hero and save the world but his path is painted in blood. He is the killer who gets the job done for the good of many, but does so with a heavy heart. And this is probably closest to what a WoL should be, considering SE want us to be a good hero or whatever. But then I look at how he acts in some cut-scenes - it's pure innocence who'd never hurt a butterfly. This is not how such person should be. It's like WoL so dumb and naive that he can't possible imagine consequences, and never ever killed someone. Like letting Grynewaht run then by all account you should capture or kill him? His an enemy officer for the love of God, who tried to kill you nonetheless. The amount of times when PC can't take decisive actions against enemies is too damn high. Andd all is because heroes can't hurt bad guys if they are established characters until they hands like reaaaaly forced or they turned into a monsters and it's not a cutscene (so little kids won't cry XD).

    So no, he probably not like Zenos unless we throw half of stuff we were shown from the window. Because Zenos and don't really rythme well, and WoL was shown to drown in it lol.
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  2. #32
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    Xerxus___'s Avatar
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    Taka Karasu
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    Odin
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    U pretty much nailed it, I just wished we could of had more interaction with our own char giving him a personality birthplace and backstory. But let me guess there is not enough memory space in the game to do that, or the time.
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  3. #33
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    Kilroc Firewalker
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    Lamia
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    I view my WoL in a weird roundabout way that I've had trouble quantifying because I've used fantasias. And because of that, I was trying to come up with a plausible reason why the WoL would use them (outside of the time when using one would be very, very appropriate when on the run to a new city) and settled on the justification that each time I fantasia, the previous WoL dies, passing on their burden and skills to someone else.

    As it stands though, I don't think the WoL is like Zenos, at least not on purpose. I'm sure on some level, the WoL does enjoy what they're doing in so far that they're saving the world and doing something grander than themselves. That's something they can take pride in. But they certainly wouldn't bring forth a primal just to say 'oh yeah, I can kill that thing no problem'.

    As for my WoL, she'd balk at being compared to Zenos. Then again, she's also only killed two primals seeing as I fantasia'd at the start of SB. She's an angry person, but not one to find wholesale enjoyment in the hunt.
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    Last edited by ClodimusPrime; 07-28-2017 at 06:55 AM.
    Samurai should have been a tank, you all know it to be true.

  4. #34
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    Torquil Ratherdashing
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmandaLashaquoa View Post
    Short answer cause im at work:
    IMO, we're not too different from Zenos, he wants the best for his people...
    No, no he doesn't. He literally says "to hell" with his people. He loses two provinces because not defending them allowed him to feel something. He's tragic in a mental health issues kind of way, but the best interest of others is not in there.
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  5. #35
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    Azura Magnolia
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    Diabolos
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    This is actually a rather compelling question, and something that has to be told from your WoL and what your motivations are behind what you do with not only the motivations behind the various stories behind the jobs and classes, but also the MSQ and side-quests.

    For example, my WoL, Azura Magnolia, was like this way back in the MSQ and the CNJ quests, which is why she wasn't able to complete CNJ and became a ROG/NIN. Then 2.55 happened.

    The Azura that came out of that was a much more jaded and 2nd guessing almost everyone except Alphi, Tataru, and Hauchfant when they introduced her to Estinian she was originally taken aback at the idea of working with a member of the theocracy.

    As the expansion, well, expanded the situation she became more and more confidant in her abilities. Allowing her to move on from the 2.55 disaster. . . . then 3.5 happened, and she pretty much kinda broke for a bit, trying to figure out how after winning on the wall, The Griffins plan succeed. 3.56 and she was just done with bloodshed for her ideals.

    4.0 was her returning to her basics, just following orders and trying to figure out a way with minimal bloodshed. Every time she confronted Zenos was a chance to end the conflict quick and painlessly, never as something to look forward to. Never trying to kill people, like Frodola and Yotsu (even though I wanted to run her through with my weapon). Now? She's basking in the moment of a successful campaign and eikon slaying.
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    Last edited by Omury; 07-28-2017 at 12:32 PM.
    I shall give you choice, so that you may live a life of no regrets, Anima. This is my last gift for you, to decide your own path and chose your destiny.

  6. #36
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    Elai Khatahdyn
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    My Warrior of Light is tired and fed up and the relentless merry-go-round she's stuck on is starting to get her down. She's very well aware that she has to keep going but, frankly, she wonders if she'll ever see an end to it. I think she started to realise that it wasn't all glory and excitement and hero-worship when Nanamo was 'assassinated'; her encounters with Midgardsormr started to make her feel resentful of Hydaelyn, that she's been manipulated into carrying a burden she was never actually asked to shoulder. Even when she's given an opportunity to walk away from something, everyone thinks she's joking when she tries it.
    Haurchefant's death made her realise that she was never going to be given the chance to explore a friendship and discover if it might lead to something deeper. Losing him and then Ysayle made her fight with Thordan personal; the fight against Nidhogg was personal too because of Estinien. But she is struggling to feel deeply about the fight for freedom in Ala Mhigo & Othard - she sees it as a never-ending war that she can't turn her back on. This frame of mind is definitely low-level depressed, she's just going through the motions now.
    As for Zenos, his suicide was profoundly disturbing to her. I'd say that he is her exact opposite in almost every way possible and yet somehow they're walking a similar path. Her mental health is in a bad place currently ...
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  7. #37
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    Galqar Haragin
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    Gilgamesh
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    To some degree, yes. He's Xaela, and as Temulun says, "We were made for battle-to kill and be killed." He's also enough of an adrenaline junkie to enjoy measuring himself against an opponent. While he doesn't enjoy killing, if you come at him with the intent to kill, he'll take you down without hesitation; he knows he's basically a glorified mercenary, and killing is part of the job.

    The one exception was after the Vault. He chose the "I will have Zephirin's heart" option, and he meant it literally. He was furious and frustrated when Zephirin dissolved into aether; he wanted to kill him slowly. He was depressed through most of 3.1-2 because he felt that he'd failed to avenge Haurchefant. It wasn't until he killed Nidhogg and did the Litany of Peace quest that he was able to accept that Haurchefant would have wanted to see his lover go on a roaring rampage of revenge because of him.

    All that said, if you asked him what his greatest accomplishment is, he'd say "Working with a dragon, a moogle, and an Ishgardian noble to rebuild the plaza at Bahrr Lehs."
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  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hala View Post
    A little detour: Personally I don't like the approach of giving player a bland character so you can 'project' yourself on them. You see, as far as I'm concerned - no personality is also a personality. There is actions you forced to do, there is choices you forced to make.
    SE keeps the WoL blank for us to project ourselves onto it. To go one step farther, this is "projection" can be seen deeper. 1) Characters in the game project onto the WoL what he or she should be doing, what actions should be taken. 2) the faith in the WoL is projected onto the character by the people citizens of the world. 3) Crystals (Hyadelyn) can project a light source (faith from people, characters, ourselves) unto the world - magnifying and enlarging the image/strength of the WoL.
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  9. #39
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    The WoL grows stronger and stronger throughout the story. The WoL meets more people and more people put their hope and faith in it. I feel that the WoL is a grand summoning by all those who believe in him or her. This can be supported further during the assassination attempt on the sultana where the WoL loses its power as people lost faith in the WoL. A common theme in stormblood with Zenos is to harvest rage from people. Zenos is the opposite of faith, he is despair. He is the other side of the coin to the WoL - he is or is related to the grand summoning of despair. The more anger and despair towards the empire, the stronger he grows.
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  10. #40
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    J'talhdi Belhi
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    The WoL isn't a primal. That is all but certain.

    As for the WoL's 'character development' I strongly encourage people to level DRK, even if only through Deep Dungeon and FATEs. It has one of the best story chains in the game and addresses much about the personal mindset of the WoL without really stealing your characters identity away from you.

    There is a part of the WoL that is like Zenos, that find thrill in the fight. That is the part Zenos identified with. However the major difference is that is all Zenos is. The WoL is much more and fights for many more reasons than just the thrill of it.
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    Last edited by Belhi; 08-10-2017 at 01:34 AM.

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