Dear SE, BLM is great, but please consider the following

[Neela]

People don't care about "samurai of casters" in savages, they will just take sam if they want no utility dps. There's only one caster spot in static most of the time and this spot is already taken by embolden/instares rdm. Why would someone take blm over rdm there is beyond me.

why's everybody so serious about a meta comp? that is totally beyond me. you can clear every savage content with every dd combination - even with Mchs on board. those "why should I take x over y?" questions are not better than the PFs which lock certain cls out cause they just want to be half-leeched by overkill dps. - we currently run with sam & blm, brd and smn. rdm surely would be a way better choice but noone of my grp wants to play that braindead cls yet... - so I honestly can't understand all these "meta" or "spot" recommendations what so ever... everybody should just "be able" to play what he/she likes. end of story.

[Kabooa]

why's everybody so serious about a meta comp? that is totally beyond me. you can clear every savage content with every dd combination - even with Mchs on board. those "why should I take x over y?" questions are not better than the PFs which lock certain cls out cause they just want to be half-leeched by overkill dps.

Let's look at this from the other side.

Meta side: You can do it as a Machinist, but why do it as a Machinist when the Bard is objectively better? You can do it as a Summoner, but why do it as a Summoner when the Red Mage is objectively better? You kick people from progression parties who aren't giving their A-game, and even then if their A-game isn't up to par with what you need. if the person is making the choice to stick with a class when there is objectively one better in all areas that matter, why would you keep them?

Keep in mind, I mostly agree with the sentiment that every class is capable of clearing savage as it was balanced, but early progression, which people naturally want to do, is hardly that. You have to do wonky stuff to get the necessary stats to survive and min/max as all hell to hit the enrage timers by doing that. And fact of the matter is, that excludes some classes.

[Neela]

because its a game after all and people like different cls –> not just the ones who are the most effective ones - if you manage endcontent with a weaker cls you like there is no reason to switch to a stronger cls you can't get used to just because its stronger or the status quo of balancing "forces" you to do so. I bet 90% of the community haven't even any kind of selfexperience (f.e. on Mch or Smn) with "weaker" cls comps - they just heard and read all the complainer threads and meta-recoms and won't gave others at least the chance to prove their skill on "banned" cls. thats really sad to be honest...

im still trying to get my last 2 HW birds - I can't even find a pf for THAT kind of old farm content which take smns with them - even on that unsync content they just wanna have Sams & Rdms lol...

[Daws]

Snip

You do it as a MCH because you enjoy playing MCH. Because you want to play the MCH. Because SMN does not play like RDM and you bloody love how SMN plays. If you really truly care about min-maxing and bleeding edge content then you'll just play the Bard and the RDM. The only thing that matters is that you down the content.

I've been in guilds in World of Warcraft where you were benched if you weren't ideal for fights or didn't switch your class/spec up. I left those raiding guilds. I could complain and pray to the forums that the devs would make Frost Mage the greatest dps of all time that was perfect for every fight in the game, or I could just search for a guild that wasn't bench/kick happy. Turns out there were quite a ton of them and I still had successful and fun raiding times with my preferred class.

Just play what you like and stop overthinking it.

[Lilyth]

In all honesty, BLM is fine.

Our DPS is ridiculously high right now and mobility is something triple cast, swift cast, manipulation and between the lines can easily take care of and it feels incredibly rewarding. Take O3S for exemple, it looks like a hell fight for a blm right? Well no! I love doing that fight as blm and hardly miss any cast at all unless I get stunned or transformed into a pig. And please no don't change triple cast, it's perfect as it is!

The only thing BLM needs (and all the other casters as matter of fact) is a surecast fix. Oh and raise for a BLM doesnt make any sense at all.

[Neela]

You do it as a MCH because you enjoy playing MCH. Because you want to play the MCH. Because SMN does not play like RDM and you bloody love how SMN plays. (..) The only thing that matters is that you down the content.

I've been in guilds in World of Warcraft where you were benched if you weren't ideal for fights or didn't switch your class/spec up. I left those raiding guilds. I could complain and pray to the forums that the devs would make Frost Mage the greatest dps of all time that was perfect for every fight in the game, or I could just search for a guild that wasn't bench/kick happy. Turns out there were quite a ton of them and I still had successful and fun raiding times with my preferred class.

Just play what you like and stop overthinking it.

Absofuckingloudly +1 !!

it's entertainment not sports... im glad that im not the only one who think this way - thx Daws, you are very welcome :3

[AmandaLashaquoa]

These "small" changes would make BLM a tad too strong, which you know they are...
I mean, look at this:
99 "Censored" Senpai 17.52% 2.00m 99.25% >4,813.3<

Its a BLM on Alte Roite, which is a super movey fight with small stay still intervals...
Yeah, its probably one of the 99% with HQ crafted equipments, but with that guy pulling 5k+ , there would be no reason to even bring a SAM which also has no utility and then you would have peoples complaining.

[Osh1mA]

These "small" changes would make BLM a tad too strong, which you know they are...
I mean, look at this:
99 "Censored" Senpai 17.52% 2.00m 99.25% >4,813.3<

Its a BLM on Alte Roite, which is a super movey fight with small stay still intervals...
Yeah, its probably one of the 99% with HQ crafted equipments, but with that guy pulling 5k+ , there would be no reason to even bring a SAM which also has no utility and then you would have peoples complaining.

?? Alte Roite is literally a dummy fight

[Kabooa]

I've been in guilds in World of Warcraft where you were benched if you weren't ideal for fights or didn't switch your class/spec up. I left those raiding guilds. I could complain and pray to the forums that the devs would make Frost Mage the greatest dps of all time that was perfect for every fight in the game.

I mean, LK and beyond they set about ensuring most, if not all, class specs could be part of a raid, so Warcraft LK+ really isn't the best example to use there.

Vanilla and BC? GTFO. Sorry, that's just how it worked. You can play your own way in BC Karazhan, but if you're coming into Sunwell, you better be Fire, or you get to sit with the 'respeccing is too expensive' players on the sidelines.

That's how progression works.

I need to reiterate, I agree that all classes can (and should) be able to clear Savage as it stands, but there are still objectively better choices, and that is what needs to be remedied.

That includes cases where Black Mages sit at the top by a large margin. Playing what you want shouldn't be a detriment to the party.

[AmandaLashaquoa]

?? Alte Roite is literally a dummy fight

Well, V2S is EVEN MORE of a dummy fight and I don't think V3S is as movey as any of the previous two, I don't know about V4S but I can't bring Susan EX into this discussion because its "outdated" by now and DPS doesn't matter in that fight, but how well you can execute the mechanics.