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  1. #2861
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    I've been doing B3->Eno->T3->SwiftCast B4-> Sharp + Leylines -> F3. Any advantage to waiting later after the 3 F4s?
    Leylines reduceds recast speed of our GCDs, so using it before the Triple cast lowers the amount of time saved from swiftcasting those 3 F4s. It doesn't really matter where Leylines goes into the rotation, since the only damage buffs we have now are potions, so Leylines will hit about the same amount of spells regardless of where we put it. So during the last swift casted F4 of triple cast, we use that time to weave leylines.

    Here is a slightly easier to understand rotation format (with pot): Umbral Heart Opener
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  2. #2862
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeMinx View Post
    Leylines reduceds recast speed of our GCDs, so using it before the Triple cast lowers the amount of time saved from swiftcasting those 3 F4s. It doesn't really matter where Leylines goes into the rotation, since the only damage buffs we have now are potions, so Leylines will hit about the same amount of spells regardless of where we put it.
    Doesn't this matter? It's from the previous page. Maybe it doesn't because the gain is too little...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shiroe View Post
    2.8-2.5= 0.3 saved extra time with tripple-c
    2.38-2.125= 0.255 saved extra time with tripple-c under LL

    .... don't use tripple-c under LL (unless you will otherwise miss TA or some other buff in your opener)
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  3. #2863
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    I've been doing B3->Eno->T3->SwiftCast B4-> Sharp + Leylines -> F3. Any advantage to waiting later after the 3 F4s?
    Personally, I do it like this to maximize my movement tool set. If you move with your TC while LL is up, you are wasting an aetherial manipulation or outside of opener swift cast...

    Since there is a ton of work being done on optimal damage rotations, I think I'll take a look at optimal movement rotations when I get back to school and I have access to MS Excel again...
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  4. #2864
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeMinx View Post
    Leylines reduceds recast speed of our GCDs, so using it before the Triple cast lowers the amount of time saved from swiftcasting those 3 F4s. It doesn't really matter where Leylines goes into the rotation, since the only damage buffs we have now are potions, so Leylines will hit about the same amount of spells regardless of where we put it. So during the last swift casted F4 of triple cast, we use that time to weave leylines.

    Here is a slightly easier to understand rotation format (with pot): Umbral Heart Opener
    I'm honestly so baffled I never discovered this sooner... Its brilliant. Fitting in the pot, sharp, and leylines all during OGCD. Thank you so much. I think you just made my already favorite class MUCH more enjoyable.
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  5. #2865
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finkledoodoo View Post
    Doesn't this matter? It's from the previous page. Maybe it doesn't because the gain is too little...
    Sorry, my wording was a bit off. I mean, since we don't have raging strikes anymore, Leylines isn't really used to put more spells under that window, we only have potions now. So when it comes to just random placement of Leylines, it doesn't matter other than triple cast. Weaving LL properly yields more damage than using it with certain timings unweaved. So, because of triple cast, we don't want to be using Triple cast during a LL, this is why we cast LL during the last F4 in the triple cast.
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    Last edited by RyeMinx; 07-26-2017 at 05:15 AM.

  6. #2866
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    Ok,
    a few questions for you pro BMs out there...

    What is/are the optimal opener/s when juggling AF/UI between pulls? What I normally do is just TC Foul B3 T4 weave swift cast B4 F3 into appropriate rotation with whatever is available for opener...

    Basically, the meat of the question is, should I change my opener depending on whether I'm in AF or UI? Also, with too few seconds to cast, should I 1. wait for a transpose 2. just cast something like a F2, F3 or B3 into enochian just to get my enochian clock back or 3. drop enochian after I polygot and just use a foul opener? What is a foul opener? When I have foul and drop enochian between pulls, I start B3 Enochian before I foul to get that clock running. Is that right or should I just foul at the start? Common sense says that B3 enochian for the clock is the answer, but maybe math says otherwise. On the other hand, common sense says that the superior option is to not drop the clock at all for the extra time, so, yea. Also, the situation comes up where you have both the polygot and AF/UI clocks about to end, that's a pain on the fly too...

    What do you guys think?
    Thx!
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    Last edited by Finkledoodoo; 07-26-2017 at 05:35 AM.

  7. #2867
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finkledoodoo View Post
    Ok,
    a few questions for you pro BMs out there...

    What is/are the optimal opener/s when juggling AF/UI between pulls? What I normally do is just TC Foul B3 T4 weave swift cast B4 F3 into appropriate rotation with whatever is available for opener...
    Hmmm, i honestly haven't been doing much dungeon crawling on my BLM, just end game content, but I like your idea of TC to get you back up to full AF asap into the pull. Not sure what's the most efficient course of action here, but I should probably do some more dungeon runs on BLM to practice this.
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  8. #2868
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    So by getting near to 2k spellspeed I noticed that foul is more likely to not be up for UI, and this is more likely to happen during ley lines what are your thoughts on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeMinx View Post
    Sorry, my wording was a bit off. I mean, since we don't have raging strikes anymore, Leylines isn't really used to put more spells under that window, we only have potions now. So when it comes to just random placement of Leylines, it doesn't matter other than triple cast. Weaving LL properly yields more damage than using it with certain timings unweaved. So, because of triple cast, we don't want to be using Triple cast during a LL, this is why we cast LL during the last F4 in the triple cast.
    You can do both (weave and offset them). Half your LL will not be up with Triple, the other half will be up with Triple. Weave LL under the last Triple cast when they're both up, weave under a proc/switching between AF/UI for the others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Remedi View Post
    So by getting near to 2k spellspeed I noticed that foul is more likely to not be up for UI, and this is more likely to happen during ley lines what are your thoughts on this?
    Irrelevant. Foul placement is much less concerning now because with the new cast times/new Triple cd, we can realistically shove it anywhere without much of a loss.
    The only thing that favours UI placement is mana ticks (which also dictates if you'll go 3.X or 4.0).
    Curiously, 4.05 made us even more manatick-centric than before.
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  10. #2870
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    during opener ...pot>TC>3xF4..., like poping my pot there
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