A consern about space efficieny since stormblood is not getting enough space increase

[SokiYagami]

Momo, much as I agree with your points for pushing on for the QoL changes, reporting another user simply because they don't agree with you is a bit overreacting. I think there's an option to hide their post or simply ignore them if they really bother you that much. (Like how a certain player choose to ignored me when he or she can no longer keep up with the argument on the higher income, higher tax point I made in regards to his or hers "this game got more raw inventory slot than all other games!" point.)

As for why they keep pushing against a QoL suggestion which will bring them no harm simply because the issues raised in this thread is not an issue for them and how they kept insisting on suggesting certain useful methods that can help ease the issue as be-all-end-all solutions for everyone is... (Which I believe most of us has probably done those suggestions already, at least I know I did)

Oh, and did I mentioned the point of a QoL suggestion is to make things more convenient again? From most of the counter-argument posts I've read, I probably didn't now, did I?

[Berethos]

Oh, and did I mentioned the point of a QoL suggestion is to make things more convenient again? From most of the counter-argument posts I've read, I probably didn't now, did I?

You really think that those who have a problem with the inventory as it is now won't max theirs out again, and we'll be right back where we started?

You really think that those who genuinely believe that the game "requires" them go gather 27k of a certain type of ore, or "requires" them to rent a total 20+ retainers across more than one character, won't have issues again?

You really think that freeing up x amount of slots now will lead to these players showing better inventory management skills that they haven't displayed so far, instead opting to blame all of their inventory woes on SE?

That's some impressive optimism.

Also, at this point I'd hope that it would be obvious that myself and others that have been critical in this thread are not pushing back against QoL changes, but rather being realistic about their scope and/or time of delivery, as well as continuing to point out where inventory woes are honest to goodness self-inflicted issues that are currently solvable by the person experiencing them.

[Parisstilton]

I don't really have a problem with inventory space but I would still sell my grandmother for a glamour log and bait box just to make it easier to find stuff.

[SokiYagami]

You really think that those who have a problem with the inventory as it is now won't max theirs out again, and we'll be right back where we started?

Now this is actually a valid point which pardon me if I'm wrong, wasn't brought up at all in this thread until now. I agree that with new space there will be people finding more stuff to fill it up and return to square one. A balance has to be struck at some point, but currently I think we are too far titled on the other end. There are standards in terms of what can be achieve in the aspect of inventory space. SE has given the option to access to more stuff (one character, all jobs) but fail to keep up with the other competitors in terms of effective methods to save space. Examples have been listed by other users in the thread. People keep mentioning that players should work on inventory management, I agree, but I also think SE should work on efficiency to reduce memory footprint and item bloat.

You really think that those who genuinely believe that the game "requires" them go gather 27k of a certain type of ore, or "requires" them to rent a total 20+ retainers across more than one character, won't have issues again?

You really think that freeing up x amount of slots now will lead to these players showing better inventory management skills that they haven't displayed so far, instead opting to blame all of their inventory woes on SE?

That's some impressive optimism.

Two can play the game and I can say you're being over-exaggerating and jaw-dropping pessimistic.

Also, at this point I'd hope that it would be obvious that myself and others that have been critical in this thread are not pushing back against QoL changes, but rather being realistic about their scope and/or time of delivery, as well as continuing to point out where inventory woes are honest to goodness self-inflicted issues that are currently solvable by the person experiencing them.

Eh... no. To be honest, most of the post are more along the lines of "this isn't a problem for me, hence it isn't a problem" than whatever you're trying to claim. Once again, inventory management is important, but it's not the final solution for everyone. Yes, there are extreme hoggers that keep even the damn strand of hair a random NPC dropped just because reasons, but I believe it's safe to say that they are the minority. However the rest of the players who decided to dip into every single piece of content provided by the game shouldn't be punish in terms of convenience when other competitors have already proven solutions are possible for said situation.

Just take a look at how the stuff from kupo store and special event which cost real life cash can't even be stored into armoire or repurchase from NPC (aka hogging inventory slots) and tell me that you honestly believe with all your heart that there is seriously no intentional inventory bloat going on in the game.

[Lycieus]

It simply doesn't have "tons" of storage if you're actually leveling all the jobs, saving glamour gear for them, and crafting intensely, and this entire thread has presented a great deal of evidence to support that.

@Momoka: It's probably best to just ignore Valkyrie from here on out.

I haven't seen Berethos or Valkyrie make a single constructive post in the entire thread. I'm pretty sure they're both trolls.

[Alleo]

And then theres people holding on to every crafting mat ever. If its not an unspoiled node, toss it. If its a 30 min unspoiled node, toss it.

I dont believe its even possible to hold every crafting mats..also if you craft a lot, having to gather stuff from unspoiled nodes can waste your time..we are not talking about making one item every new moon or something but about a very big amount. And we already said that we also store much more than just simply mats.

@SokiYagami: How will someone even know who reported them? Yes it could have been Momoka but there are many people reading this thread so it could have been someone else too.

@Momoka: I did answer her but its probably for the best to just ignore her posts. I really get the feeling like some people just need to be against something because its criticism of the game and we cant have that. I mean we got stuff like Gpose in the game which is a nice function but its still just something to make good looking screenshots. Wanting a solution to a real big problem of the game should not be a problem if things like that get implemented.

I also did die a little on the inside seeing the amount of stuff that you need just for getting all the tools...I do like to craft but I am not someone that gets huge profits and I want to buy a big house in Shirogane, so I simply cant buy all the necessary crafting stuff, also I would feel bad just buying all the things. So I already know that this will come in the future and I am already a bit afraid of it.

On top of that I am not really looking forward to the next events because most of them have stuff in it that have to store on retainers and they are already getting quite full. Thankfully I dont like any of the design choices of the endgame gears so I wont have to store those..

[Princess_Momoka]

It simply doesn't have "tons" of storage and this entire thread has presented a great deal of evidence to support that.

@Momoka: It's probably best to just ignoreValkyrie from here on out.

Oh trust me I will. Here is why it does not make sense to me. I asked/ said this:
Does not matter what you can do, the fact is the game is programed like that, and the game requires you to have more room then what you are given.
only to get a reply of:
I did answer your question, see above. Any serious crafter uses melded gear.

This reply was already countered in my original statement/question. The reason being is that my point it does not matter if melded gear is better (I know that, I use that, and part of the reason is the work inefficiency of gaining the yellow script gear.) I have a friend and I would too tbh, love to have a few sets as glams and make each job look different, but we LACK ROOM to be able to. On top of the insane time sink they take to get, I do not know why they made the script gear require so much and they really shouldn't.

I do not know where those 2 are coming from saying this is solely for disagreement, that isn't the case, it is insulting to call me "entitled" and claim I said things when I did not, blame edits, when the edit was 10 mins before they posted, while the edit was for the last line in the post to add to it because the cap and such.

Asking for space to function, having a functional item management system is not entitled. I am not entitled for making more use of the game then them. I am deeply frustrated right now and insulted because they mock me because a game shortcoming? makes no sense.

189 likes and 767 posts without a rep reply?!?!!?!?

Momo, much as I agree with your points for pushing on for the QoL changes, reporting another user simply because they don't agree with you is a bit overreacting. I think there's an option to hide their post or simply ignore them if they really bother you that much. (Like how a certain player choose to ignored me when he or she can no longer keep up with the argument on the higher income, higher tax point I made in regards to his or hers "this game got more raw inventory slot than all other games!" point.)

As for why they keep pushing against a QoL suggestion which will bring them no harm simply because the issues raised in this thread is not an issue for them and how they kept insisting on suggesting certain useful methods that can help ease the issue as be-all-end-all solutions for everyone is... (Which I believe most of us has probably done those suggestions already, at least I know I did)

Oh, and did I mentioned the point of a QoL suggestion is to make things more convenient again? From most of the counter-argument posts I've read, I probably didn't now, did I?

It has nothing to do with them disagreeing with me. They are just saying that. It is immensely insulting to say something I did not say, and did so again (I tried to correct them twice and they still claimed I said something I did not) So first time it seemed like it was a mistake, so I just remained civil to make it clear I was talking about yellow scripts. It is clear they do not craft so I thought maybe they just did not know what yellow script gear was. That correction went ignored so I bought up that fact. When I did, they argued with me I did not say that and blamed edits, then AGAIN put words in my mouth and claimed I said something I did not say. So it was for that, not for 'disagreeing with them' You can disagree with me all you want, and if you are civil about it, it can lead to a helpful discussion for better solutions.

Most of the counter posts are by people who do not craft at all, or craft very little while also not glam much. That is my issue with people that claim they do not have issues with inventory so no one should, when it is because they do less in the game (not have jobs leveled, do not glam as much as people with inventory space issues and do not craft as much with people with inventory space issues.)

I haven't seen Berethos or Valkyrie make a single constructive post in the entire thread. I'm pretty sure they're both trolls.

Exactly.

Two can play the game and I can say you're being over-exaggerating and jaw-dropping pessimistic.

exactly

Eh... no. To be honest, most of the post are more along the lines of "this isn't a problem for me, hence it isn't a problem" than whatever you're trying to claim. Once again, inventory management is important, but it's not the final solution for everyone. Yes, there are extreme hoggers that keep even the damn strand of hair a random NPC dropped just because reasons, but I believe it's safe to say that they are the minority. However the rest of the players who decided to dip into every single piece of content provided by the game shouldn't be punish in terms of convenience when other competitors have already proven solutions are possible for said situation.

Just take a look at how the stuff from kupo store and special event which cost real life cash can't even be stored into armoire or repurchase from NPC (aka hogging inventory slots) and tell me that you honestly believe with all your heart that there is seriously no intentional inventory bloat going on in the game.

Exactly, They are just trying to attack/insult people that have inventory space issues more then anything else and say "it is not a problem for me because I do not play the game much, so it shouldn't be a problem for people that play the game more then me and spend more then me on the mog station" A lot of people that say this is not an issue most likely craft one or 2 things a day and say they craft. They say they have x jobs at 60/70 to prove inventory is not a problem, even though they do not craft as much as people complaining about inventory space. Just because you have a crafting job at 70 (all midcore/hardore crafter/gather should be all 70 by now) does not mean it is being used. So having only one or 2 crafts at 70 and that you do not have inventory issues is not saying anything or proving anything.

I am shocked people are fighting against a change that every other mno in existence has, and is needed in this game due to over bloat with items. Berethos, just because you state"are not pushing back against QoL changes" does not mean you suddenly get a pass from doing that. That is what you are others are doing, and I do not get why.

I also did die a little on the inside seeing the amount of stuff that you need just for getting all the tools...I do like to craft but I am not someone that gets huge profits and I want to buy a big house in Shirogane, so I simply cant buy all the necessary crafting stuff, also I would feel bad just buying all the things. So I already know that this will come in the future and I am already a bit afraid of it.

That was just an example based on the current turn in, most stuff I did that was cheap was more on the line of 55 per turn in, but those where 1 or 2 ingots for most part. (needing tama's for a turn in stains inventory regardless) Since on my server Molybdenum Ingot are 1k-2k each I bought them, it is just too much to be doing all that your self (while making/gathering for the other materials) so for 8 tools on 55 per turn in average, you are making 190 things, not 156 like the math i shown you with that other item, 55 vs 67, it may seem small but look what it leads to with the amount the game requires. The script costs should be 1/10th what they are.

You really think that those who genuinely believe that the game "requires" them go gather 27k of a certain type of ore, or "requires" them to rent a total 20+ retainers across more than one character, won't have issues again?

It is called math, you are saying it does not exist when the game DOES REQUIRE IT?!?!?!!?

This game is lacking basic inventory management. If you are full inventory/retainers and buy another and for origination sake, keep x theme items on y retainer, it is a PAIN!! to move items around because the game's lack of ability to have item management (we can't move items from one retainer to another directly) and their excuse for not being able to do so is "server limitations" upgrade servers then and stop pretending we are in the 1980s!!!?! (300 people able crash a zone is lulworthy), start removing unnecessary items from the game, or remove item management from retainers completely (venture only purpose) and give us a bank, like every other game in existence, including FFXI, hell FFXI manages items better and that alone should say a lot. (work arounds based on lolps2 limitations) now the thing is server limitations, always excuses.

[Naunet]

You really think that those who have a problem with the inventory as it is now won't max theirs out again, and we'll be right back where we started?

If we got a glamour log, my inventory problems would vanish overnight and I don't even rent extra retainers. But nice strawman.

[Princess_Momoka]

If we got a glamour log, my inventory problems would vanish overnight and I don't even rent extra retainers. But nice strawman.

same, it would be glam log > currency removal to tab> removing item bloat like removing useless items, in the order what would gain me the most.

[Lycieus]

I like to keep this on the first page, I feel this issue is still lacking attention, and really feel something should be posted by the community manager of SE (or development or yoshi-p) I really like to know one thing from them, why are we paying so much extra for a shortcoming that should be free at this point till it is fixed?

This would not happen, unless, like 1.0, they lost enough money to be scared.