MCH changes, pls test your stuff beforehand SE

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Then we're actually in agreement in that regard. We have been all along.

I have nothing against the job's deficiencies being supported with viable proof. That is what needs to be spoken clearly so we can maybe get them fixed. I have everything against one dimensional statements that otherwise tear it down and offer nothing beyond that, especially when it would demoralize and push people who might otherwise perform just fine as a MCH to feel forced to change, lest they be left out. That is all I've held issue with from the start.

[mero-ix]

I have everything against one dimensional statements that otherwise tear it down and offer nothing beyond that, especially when it would demoralize and push people who might otherwise perform just fine as a MCH to feel forced to change, lest they be left out.

You've put what I've been trying to say into words much better. Thank you.

Elnidfse: You are trying way too hard to argue with me (we aren't even in disagreement). You took a single word I used ("ok", quotations for a reason) out of context to write an excessively redundant reply. You're just being self-indulgent at this point and coming off incredibly condescending. You've already said more than enough on how you feel about the job. You don't have to beat people to death who feel otherwise. And for what it's worth, I never said the words "MCH is fine"; you did. I was responding to that when I replied and didn't mean it literally, hence—again—my use of quotations. Context matters. Stop picking apart people's replies to suit your own argument.

don't say "MCH is fine" when it's not

You also said:

But let's not start calling people wrong.

I didn't call anyone wrong. All I ever did was say how I personally felt about the job. No matter how many novels you write at me, it's not going to change my opinion.

(PS: I checked a video of our O3S clear and my dps was at 3842 before I died when the boss was at 18%. That's including me being an idiot and forgetting to place my turret for a minute after I blew it up in my opener. I also don't bother to overheat my wildfires. I see overheating as a punishment, like dropping botd, but that it can also be used to our advantage if used correctly/very specifically. I've seen bard parses from that turn between 3700-3800 so dps seems to be on par with mch (of similarly skilled players during progression). It'll be easier to see the discrepancies after players have been clearing for a few weeks.)

[Elnidfse]

*snip snippity*

I'm not trying hard to do x or y. boss. Somebody said "MCH are okay" and I figured "well let me interject". I don't intend to change your opinion and I certainly don't care about whatever self image you think matters to me. I mentioned several times that the job is completely functional. But for some reason people come into this thread and say things like "people think/say the job is unplayable" when nobody has been saying that :P

But I heard "So many people are saying the job is terrible that I feel compelled to share my differing opinion." I used your opinion as a grounds to expand and move forward and stated why people think the job is terrible because I wanted to talk about it some more... I'll avoid quoting you in the future so I don't come off as condescending again. And I'll have you know I actually enjoy writing posts with very simple elementary level of formatting. The logic here is if SE reads any one post, it would be better to put as much effort into any of them.

[mero-ix]

But for some reason people come into this thread and say things like "people think/say the job is unplayable" when nobody has been saying that :P

Not in this thread specifically, but people are definitely saying it on reddit, in discord servers, in game chat, and discluding mch from PF. I have people asking me a lot what I think of mch because they've only heard bad things about it. My intent on commenting on this thread was to share the things that I like and add something positive to the wave of negativity. I in no way meant to disregard the issues it has. I thought it would be helpful to show players that a group can still clear O3S first week with a MCH. (and I'm not even the best mch; I'm hella derpy.)