MCH changes, pls test your stuff beforehand SE

[mero-ix]

I'm in the minority here, but I really like how MCH plays atm. :/ I agree that it could still do with a dmg increase, but MCH at 4.0 was so punishing if you messed up, and the way overheating every other wildfire worked was awkward and annoying. It's so much more fun to play now. IMO! So many people are saying the job is terrible that I feel compelled to share my differing opinion.

On my first O3S clear I had 3621 dps with no DRG. I died once and also totally messed up my rotation in the last half because I was trying not to mess up mechanics (I'm bad). We managed to clear the first three floors of Omega in 9-10 hours fine without a BRD. People are overreacting. MCH isn't perfect, but it's nowhere near as terrible as people are going on about. I love the MCH class and refuse to switch to a job I hate playing for an extra 100 dps or a few more utility skills that aren't even necessary. (`-´ )

[Elnidfse]

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A few things. Mind you it's fine to share your opinion. But let's not start calling people wrong.
Overheating every other wildfire kept our wildfire mildfire dynamic from heavensward. The reason it was so punishing was because the reward was so low. Upping the reward for doing right would have balanced out the punishment for doing sour.
Good on you for pulling 3621 after dying somehow. The average player isn't going to perform at the level of an +85th% machinist.

MCH isn't perfect, but it's nowhere near as terrible as people are going on about.

You've seem to have missed the point of the thread. Nobody is saying it's impossible to do at least the first 2 tiers adequately with a MCH. People are saying that you can do better with the same level of proficiency in BRD (while also avoiding woes of party finder exclusion). People then post numbers to prove their statements and many facts as to why that is true. The only thing people are arguing with is this same math for some reason. Which is as smart as punching a cinderblock.

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a few more utility skills that aren't even necessary.

Do you know why soldiers are trained to aim for center mass and not the head? Those utility skills you make fun of are of the same mind. I know many times a dismantle I've used or a passage of arms the tank used ended up saving us from dying outright to AoE. These are things you use to assure a victory and ease the burden of progression. I'm pretty sure the near double rDPS increase Bard provides would have helped us clear O2S in our second attempt when we reached enrage.

I'm sure if you play flawlessly you could beat O4S as well. As long as you are having fun that's what matters the most. But for the sake of actually giving feedback that leads to lasting changes don't say "MCH is fine" when it's not. It underperforms in every way that matters.

[s3ystic]

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I think people are getting confused here . Fun is subjective, if you are having fun, then awesome, keep having fun. Im having fun too! Despite my protests about he Job I am still playing the job. The thread is not about the subject of "Fun" it is about how MCH is the lowest performing job in all categories other than "fun." We kind of want to have our fun and our performance as well. IF you don't want extra utility, then fine, be the voice that pushes for a higher damage focus. However pretending that everything is fine is not going to get any good and lasting changes sooner, quite the opposite. So please regardless of how you feel it should be improved, let us just agree that it needs to be improved and not try to turn away suggestions that may bring some added satisfaction to the job.