Patch 4.05 Machinist Rotation: To Overheat or Not to Overheat? Here are my findings.

[Fannah]

It's funny because you are saying there is a difference and no difference at the same time x)

It's not a maths exercise where you can just remove the same multipliers on both side of the "equal" sign. People just want to know the potency difference between the two. So removing multipliers from both side to simplify a calculation has nothing to do here x)

(Amazing, I can post again already o_O )

[Leticro]

It's funny because you are saying there is a difference and no difference at the same time x)

It's not a maths exercise where you can just remove the same multipliers on both side of the "equal" sign. People just want to know the potency difference between the two. So removing multipliers from both side to simplify a calculation has nothing to do here x)

(Amazing, I can post again already o_O )

Haha yeah, there's no difference for comparison which was my purpose, but yeah if you want to know the potency damage for that 1 minute, then the potency would matter. But just multiply them by 1.08 and you'll get the potency with hot shot so I don't have run through the math again was what I was mostly trying to say. I used a pretty optimal rotation for the sake of more accurate data, but it's not the most optimal cause what was more important to me was that they were consistent for comparison.

EDIT: I went ahead and added it since it was a quick change.

[Leticro]

I went ahead and added in the 8% multiplier for hot shot since people thought it was needed and it's really just like a quick 5 minute change so it now shows in the spreadsheets. I guess I had no reason not to have it in the first place anyway :P

EDIT: I hit my daily limit, so I'm editing this as my last post for today, but in response to the post after this,

You're missing a GCD. That hotshot is also weird since in an optimal rotation that'd probably be getting applied right when it falls off. Assuming it's on before wildfire anyways. Which should be before you apply reload.

Now that I think on it your reload is also delayed by 2.5 seconds. On the topic of Gauss round you'd be able to weave it in front of the very first 1 and have it again before Wildfire goes off.

Getting to the nitty gritty;

There's also a potency problem on the non overheated combo.
GR + split should be 415 but you have it listed at 395. Also your 2 on the -0.5 second is measured at 400 when it's 230 at most
Auto attacks also aren't accounted for which will range in that time from 3 to 4. My weapon gives me 86 potency a piece.
You can do 2 Cooldowns in a non OH wildfire.

Damage on the right is lower than it should be and damage on the left is higher than it should be. Run another pass through your math.

Thanks for noticing all this! Hot shot is before reload by about 3 GCDs this rotation. As long as I have 2 hot shots in a minute rotation, it should still yield roughly the same damage. The reload delay is GB and BS being in the way so I had to shift that back a tad, but again, roughly same overall damage as long as I fit 2 in.

I changed the 390 to 415 you mentioned, and I had the 400, cause I got GB mixed up with GR! I agree that 2 Cooldowns should be added in the the wildfire so I readjusted that.

number difference still seems roughly the same. I wanted to do auto-attacks, but it varies by weapons and I wasn't sure how it worked entirely so I just left it out. For your weapon, is it 86 potency per 2.5 seconds? if so I can use that dummy data to add it in.

[Elnidfse]

You're missing a GCD. That hotshot is also weird since in an optimal rotation that'd probably be getting applied right when it falls off. Assuming it's on before wildfire anyways. Which should be before you apply reload.

Now that I think on it your reload is also delayed by 2.5 seconds. On the topic of Gauss round you'd be able to weave it in front of the very first 1 and have it again before Wildfire goes off.

Getting to the nitty gritty;

There's also a potency problem on the non overheated combo.
GR + split should be 415 but you have it listed at 395. Also your 2 on the -0.5 second is measured at 400 when it's 230 at most
Auto attacks also aren't accounted for which will range in that time from 3 to 4. My weapon gives me 86 potency a piece.
You can do 2 Cooldowns in a non OH wildfire.

Damage on the right is lower than it should be and damage on the left is higher than it should be. Run another pass through your math.

[Elnidfse]

number difference still seems roughly the same. I wanted to do auto-attacks, but it varies by weapons and I wasn't sure how it worked entirely so I just left it out. For your weapon, is it 86 potency per 2.5 seconds? if so I can use that dummy data to add it in.

It's about 85.36 per 2.64

More things I've noticed:

• That ammo should be used to force another step. Using it on 3 is bad. It will still cycle roughly at the same time if you hold onto it and gives you a 65 potency increase instead of a 25 potency increase. Even if you lose a QR in the long run it will still be a gain. You should repass that for everything.
• 1 of your cooldowns at the end of your non OH is not needed. You want to be as close to 95 as possible when you load ammo into your gun for your WF.
• You should also be applying double cooldowns on the assumption that your heat is at 95 for non OH so you don't dip below 50 heat at the end of it.

. You can burn up within two GCDs without losing anything if you're at 75/85 when using FT.

number difference still seems roughly the same

If you use that -0.5 assumption (as you should because overheat and wildfire seldom cycle at the exact same time with overheat falling off first) and only using the corrections listed in my last post your totals should be:
8130.478 with a 2859.478 non overheat wildfire
versus
8136.613 total with a 3031.113 overheated wildfire.

A total of ~6 potency for your gain

This is assuming that your QR, Reload, BS, and GB all don't cycle up at the same time. The reason you want to move around your GR is so that thing doesn't get shoved into that period as well where you have 5 things coming up. As any clipping means you suffer a net LOSS for your effort. But only in a void. This is not taking into consideration rDPS increases that go out at this time.

In Conclusion:
If your OH WF happens during most other jobs burst windows it could potentially be higher than ~6 potency but your non rDPS window OH's are going to end up being a loss. In a 10 minute fight. That ends up being roughly the equivalent of an auto attack.
Also yes it sucks when you get clipped by the daily posting limit. Happens. Never can tell when that thing will get ya

[Sylvain]

I'm lost between all the comment.
My MCH is gonna hit 70 tonight and will not run SO.
For doing Lakshmi and Susaso for fun, should I overheat on every wildfire or not and is the dps increase noticeable?
Being not super good on the timing, if you tell me I gain 0.5% dps for going through the hassle of overheating I simply won't overheat. The DPS loss will be compensated by me not screwing up.

[Elnidfse]

I'm lost between all the comment.
My MCH is gonna hit 70 tonight and will not run SO.
For doing Lakshmi and Susaso for fun, should I overheat on every wildfire or not and is the dps increase noticeable?
Being not super good on the timing, if you tell me I gain 0.5% dps for going through the hassle of overheating I simply won't overheat. The DPS loss will be compensated by me not screwing up.

The short answer to your question is, unless you're planning on raiding where you could be at risk of a 1% enrage or something, don't even bother. You lose marginal (or do more depending on your execution and ability to make per-fight rotations) for not overheating versus overheating.
So no don't bother.

[Ferrasper]

The short answer to your question is, unless you're planning on raiding where you could be at risk of a 1% enrage or something, don't even bother. You lose marginal (or do more depending on your execution and ability to make per-fight rotations) for not overheating versus overheating.
So no don't bother.

I was wondering that myself because if the gains is that small, and I do much better with keeping it between 50-95. I don't see much reason to overheat.

[Gun-Cat]

The sole fact that people need to spread sheet out diferent scenarios to ascertain if a class mechanics is useful or not should tell the development team that they need to look at this again.

[Elnidfse]

This wouldn't have even been a question people had if they just left overheat at friggin 20%.