Extreme Undercutting - Should it be a violation?

[Berilein]

It's not an offence but why would you do it? I really want to know why. There is 2 crafters on my server with the same last name, who crashed the price of the crafting gear to below material cost, and they've started moving in on the new 320 crafts. Undercutting by 2mil or in one case 4.2m and pushing some of the items down to 1m - 1.5m which is about 100k profit on all ready slow moving items. Makes no sense to me why they do this it's very annoying because they eventually move in on EVERY crafted item and the worse part is they sit at there retainer for what seems like 16 hours a day. If you undercut them they undercut all 3 of there items again by several 100k and again...

[mattymaats]

It's not an offence but why would you do it? I really want to know why. There is 2 crafters on my server with the same last name, who crashed the price of the crafting gear to below material cost, and they've started moving in on the new 320 crafts. Undercutting by 2mil or in one case 4.2m.

That's an easy one to answer, because they're a cuck xD I'm not sure if some people don't know or see the knock on effect they have by undercutting items by huge amounts as it doesn't just have an effect on that item. It can cause the material price to crash when then can crash the price of other crafted items which use some of those materials and so on. When you're dealing with a market player like that though it can be quite difficult as if you keep trying to undercut them they will keep lowering the prices further so I would hold onto it and craft some other items until they get bored or move onto something else.

[Paladinleeds]

It's not an offence but why would you do it? I really want to know why.

For me, it was more aimed at a buyer's perspective. I wouldn't touch the high end crafter stuff etc, but let's say certain things, like I've seen level 15 dungeon gear going for 100k an item, which for someone levelling their first class, could be a bit outrageous (as far as I know, ARR quest chains don't give out that much levelling gear unlike HW and SB), so it was aimed at making things more accessible for them. That's why I would do it. Though if stuff gets pushed to selling below material cost, it's possible that the benefit then gets shifted to omnigathercrafters (does that make any sense?) who can get the materials for no cost except time, and thus could even get away with selling the items for 1 gil and still make a profit, as well as stuff being done on the cheap. Crafting gear however, to me, if you're crafting, you're either able to make it yourself, or have the money to get the materials for it.

That's an easy one to answer, because they're a cuck xD I'm not sure if some people don't know or see the knock on effect they have by undercutting items by huge amounts as it doesn't just have an effect on that item. It can cause the material price to crash when then can crash the price of other crafted items which use some of those materials and so on.

I'll be honest with you, I wasn't aware of the knock-on effect it could have with regards to material places. I thought it would just affect that single item, and didn't realise it would snowball like that.

[Krotoan]

the ones I don't get are the ones who undercut NPC sell price.. just... sell it to the NPC's? it must be easier than listing it?

[OriWhitedeer]

You also have to take into account that not everyone is a veteran in this game and are still learning the ropes. What you perceive as undercutting may also be players simply unaware that they can check prices currently sold on items and just put thier rare item up for whatever they think it's worth. Would it be fair to ban them for an oversight/mistake?

[mattymaats]

like I've seen level 15 dungeon gear going for 100k an item, which for someone levelling their first class, could be a bit outrageous

Just saying you do realise that the prices of those items are generally that high because high level people buy them for glam glams and they're too lazy to farm the item as majority of players won't be bothered with running a level 15 dungeon several times to try and get a marketable item. Nah they'd rather throw money at someone for listing it, a lot of the time it is low level people selling the items for that much and with what you're doing that's taking away their chance of making a lot of money.

When I first started that's how I made my first mil, running the low level dungeons and selling the marketable gear to higher level players who wanted the glams, it's not always just high level people making crazy prices and if people are willing to pay it who's to stop them?

[Paladinleeds]

a lot of the time it is low level people selling the items for that much and with what you're doing that's taking away their chance of making a lot of money.

Shows how much I know... didn't realise that either. Thought it was mostly low level players wanting to buy them, not the low level players selling them to high level players! But that's something I'll bear in mind for the future. I think if I do end up with it in the future, I'll just use it as GC/desynth fodder. That way the low level players can keep that avenue.

You can buy vendor gear for literally all of the lower levels, and most of the time it costs next to nothing. If someone is too lazy to farm content to get their gear, and wants to throw their money at the market board then let them. This game literally revolves around farming the same content for gear (all the high level raids&trials) and with the possibility of easily obtaining vendor gear the prices justify laziness. Additionally this is a new server, where a lot of things are still in demand due to the lack of available resources on the market and/or high level crafters, so the prices will eventually settle.

When I was doing this, it was back on Odin, so not quite the same situation as Louisoix. Yes, even on Odin this stuff was going for quite high prices. I do agree with you about Louisoix's situation though, that prices will eventually settle as more people come to the server. It's just a waiting game there. I think I am seeing prices steadily drop across the board already.

[nty]

You can buy vendor gear for literally all of the lower levels, and most of the time it costs next to nothing. If someone is too lazy to farm content to get their gear, and wants to throw their money at the market board then let them. This game literally revolves around farming the same content for gear (all the high level raids&trials) and with the possibility of easily obtaining vendor gear the prices justify laziness. Additionally this is a new server, where a lot of things are still in demand due to the lack of available resources on the market and/or high level crafters, so the prices will eventually settle.

[Aegrus]

Players value an item differently. If the market rate is less than you think it is worth, you can buy. If you don't want to sell at that rate, don't. It's not hard. Asking for fixed market prices just causes terrible issues, and it causes more problems down the road.

Let's say the devs try to fix the price. What is their metric? A large portion of the currency is generated from people doing quests or bonuses from dungeons. Currency is destroyed through repairs and npcs. Some of you are proposing that someone should be paid for each server to micromanage 100's of items on a constant basis based off other players value of an item. It's much simpler to just let players set their own price and accomplishes this better than any human can do.

You don't need the market in this game, it's purely optional. People just have understand it's just another part of the game.

[Avatre]

like I've seen level 15 dungeon gear going for 100k an item,

Not sure if it's the same items I'm thinking of, but the Templar, Buccaneer, and Harlequin sets are used for achievements with the guy in Old Gridania near the SCH NPC.