If you leveled Conjurer expecting to be a black mage type character.. Can you swap?

[Meleena]

I never understood the debate. It's always been obvious to me that CON would have WHM and THM would have BLM. I mean, come on...

I second that ^

[Bethor]

You know what would be cool? If they're really implemented these "job stones" which can be equipped. That you can combine different jobs with classes.
i.e. Level MRD + GLD to 15/30, unlock PLD and equip the "Job Stone" on Archer and get an Archer which can use Heal-Arrows and some sort of DEF+ Arrows.

Or a lancer with a BLM Job Stone equipped could use elemental skills. Like Piercing Flame AOE! XD
Planning and Designing this would make a lot of fun to me :O

Or a PUG with DRG job Stone can use Jump Skills and maybe 1 or 2 Dragon Breathes.

So you could basically unlock a job and equip it ontop of your class for different and new play styles.

Each class would have 7 different Job Stones and different new Skills. That would add a lot of variety. But implementing that would take a whole lot of time and SE already got a pressure hammer.

~Just some random jibberish with a big dream attached to it X-x I want something like this waaaaaa!

[Griss]

Well, look at it this way. .21 is a good ways off. if you do want to unlock blm and play it to the fullest you have between now and then (a good two to three months) to put in the effort to rank it up to at least 30. as far as class play goes the two really complement each other. its really rare to see a player with one high and no work put into the other already.

in summation, you have a while. If you only have one of the two caster classes leveled with no ranks at all into the other your probably doing it wrong any way.

[syntaxlies]

you shouldn't have lvled anything based on what you thought jobs were gonna be.

[Molly_Millions]

I'm of the opinion that you don't have a complete build until you level every class to 50. So no, you should not be able to swap.

[AmyRae]

Yeah in FFXI...there a WAY more other FF games, and they were not based this way. Some of you need to wrap your minds around the fact that the franchise goes miles beyond FFXI.

scourge and banish are the thm nukes, both of which are blm spells in the original FF and FFII

FFIII WHM has some elemental nukes. (aero.....whatnot)

FF IV both the BLM and WHM character elemental abilities.

FFV mage classes can level spells of the other mage classes.

FF VI there is little difference as various characters an learn just about every spell, but they have different learn rates depending on the spell.

FFVII the materia you arm adds spells to your list of I recall correctly.

in a few of the games whm has the astral 3 elements and blm has the umbral 3.

the list goes on and on ............

Or you could go with actual facts:

The black mages and black magic of Final Fantasy:
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Mage_%28Job%29
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Magic

The white mages and white magic of Final Fantasy:
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/White_Mage
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/White_Magic

[Mishakai]

Odd... I thought it only took a week to get something to level 50.. If you spent all your time levelling CNJ only to realize that THM is BLM. Well, heck, you should be like over halfway there already right???

[Estellios]

Or you could go with actual facts:

The black mages and black magic of Final Fantasy:
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Mage_%28Job%29
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Magic

The white mages and white magic of Final Fantasy:
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/White_Mage
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/White_Magic

Seriously WTF series have you been playing Coglin lol

FF3 Aero is the only attack spell WHM got.

FF4's two White mages only ever learned Holy as an attack spell (and one didn't even stick around long enough to learn that). The characters that learn both Black and White magic were classified as Sages.

FF5's White mage only learned Holy again as an attack spell.

WHM has never had Fire or Lightning, only wind and in one game.

[Neptune]

Yes I do.
I hate THM to the point where I'd never go past R20, and it took me months to get it to 20 because I hate this class so much. I hate the skills, I hate the AoE cone, I hate the entire lore behind it..I don't want to be forced to play a class I hate that much, just for my elemental nukes to do some dmg.

And while I love to be a healer and usually play as a healer in parties, I don't want to be reduced to JUST that.

I just want to give a big Amen to this. This is what this thread is all about. Having fun, and doing what you like. Does playing an MMO really have to be work? Should you accept the work involved in leveling black mage if you picked Conjurer for offensive elemental magic? I don't think you should. So how about we get a dev response to this issue?

2 solutions to your problem:

- Learn to play...
- Quit game...

THIS GAME IS A HUNT FOR SKILLS, MEANING THAT YOU HAVE TO LEVEL MULTIPLE CLASSES TO BE GOOD AT WHAT YOU DO!
If you don't want to do the above because you hate it then THIS GAME IS NOT FOR YOU!

Needless to say, this is a rude post. Some people play this game to have fun. Try to keep that in mind.

Why is this thread not closed yet

There is a lot of fighting and rude posts coming from the community in this thread, because I directly asked the dev team to look into the problem of swapping people's progress in their classes by introducing WHM and BLM locked to 1 class. Anytime someone asks the dev team to do something, people start freaking out because they're afraid their hard work will be ruined. Let's try to think critically and maybe even think about what it would take to get some inactive players back, starting with this topic.

I never got this debate. CNJ and THM are classes, written with a completely different lore than WHM and BLM without any forethought of WHM or BLM making a appearance in FFXIV. The fans bitched, Yoshi-P scrambled, and we have this twisting of the lore to bring WHM and BLM in game. F*** the class lore. That's what SE thinks so you might as well get on board.

That being said, it was clear that CNJ was headed toward the WHM path when they gave it AOE cures only. That's was your "here's your sign" moment.

I hope they don't toss the lore out because it's really great.

[Estellios]

I know your heart is in the right place but this I still think it's a dumb idea to switch people over. The only situation I'd feel it was fair is if CNJ and THM were completely revamped and CNJ was unable to nuke at all while THM was unable to heal at all.

I don't think it would be anything that drastic because it severely limits the playstyles you can take on with the class (with versatility being the whole point of classes) and pretty much eliminates the need/point for having the Black mage and White mage jobs. I guess wait and see what the class changes are before you guys judge anything. Chances are you'll still be able to play CNJ how you like and the lore could be left alone, depending on how the tweaks work.