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    Tjil's Avatar
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    Zbyszek Slaven
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niqote View Post
    I'm going to use some words loosely since I don't know why they decided to charge you so little in the first place.

    It seems like they charged you ''wrong'' in the first place and you were paying less then you should have.

    Now you are paying the correct (???) price. ($13.3USD rather then $9.20USD)

    Heck, you were paying the same as a Legacy Character on a 6 month payment block! That was definitely wrong.

    Standard US per month is 30 days = $14.99 on the NA webpage.
    Let me explain a little.
    Indignation in Russia and I think Brazil has emerged mainly because the level of income in these countries is lower than in the same Europe or the United States.
    You pay $ 15 for a subscription, for you it's a trifle, less than 1% of your salary. In russia and in brazil these 15 dollars can be 10% of the monthly salary and even more.
    It is at this and causes a protest.
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    Sa'niquel Amrita
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tjil View Post
    Let me explain a little.
    Indignation in Russia and I think Brazil has emerged mainly because the level of income in these countries is lower than in the same Europe or the United States.
    You pay $ 15 for a subscription, for you it's a trifle, less than 1% of your salary. In russia and in brazil these 15 dollars can be 10% of the monthly salary and even more.
    It is at this and causes a protest.
    Ah, I see. It was my assumption there would be some kind of 'middle ground' regarding the pricing structure.
    Thanks for the information!
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    Angus Magnus
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    To understand the solvency, you need to analyze the levels of the minimum wage.
    For the USA ~ 1300 USD a month
    For Russia ~ 200 USD a month.
    Now calculate how much in percentage a person spends on the game in their country. Subscription $ 14.99
    For the USA - 1.15%
    For Russia -7.5% (before the price change - 2.5%)
    This clearly shows why people are so outraged by the price change.
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    Kaylee Frye
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Marrodin View Post
    To understand the solvency, you need to analyze the levels of the minimum wage.
    For the USA ~ 1300 USD a month
    For Russia ~ 200 USD a month.
    Now calculate how much in percentage a person spends on the game in their country. Subscription $ 14.99
    For the USA - 1.15%
    For Russia -7.5% (before the price change - 2.5%)
    This clearly shows why people are so outraged by the price change.
    What you don't seem to understand is that in the countries with higher wages, we also have a MUCH higher cost of living. So while I can understand that you are all upset over the new price, many others have been paying full price all along who are no better off than you are.
    What I DO understand is that doubling (or tripling in Russia's case) with no notice is wrong. Especially right after a huge expansion. I don't care where you live, that would make anyone upset. I would be furious. Yes, the ToS says SE can do this at any time but I think it's not right.
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    Zemus Altera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarabeth View Post
    What you don't seem to understand is that in the countries with higher wages, we also have a MUCH higher cost of living. So while I can understand that you are all upset over the new price, many others have been paying full price all along who are no better off than you are.
    What I DO understand is that doubling (or tripling in Russia's case) with no notice is wrong. Especially right after a huge expansion. I don't care where you live, that would make anyone upset. I would be furious. Yes, the ToS says SE can do this at any time but I think it's not right.
    This! Too many of you only factor Min Wage and think thats all that matters. COST OF LIVING IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT. When North America pays 4x more for a loaf of Bread than probably Brazil the point starts to become meaningless, there is always a way to even things out when you break down cost of living expenses between countries over stupid disputes over what amounts to a few dollars.

    Keep in mind this is for comparing to the SUB FEE. Not the cost of Electronics and games themsevles. Were talking DOLLARS, Not Hundreds or even Tens
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    Last edited by ZemusM; 07-20-2017 at 11:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZemusM View Post
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    You really don't have a idea how much is our living cost. xD

    Toys, cloths, console games, electronics, cars and a lot of other things are way more expensive here in Brazil than in US. Waaaaaaay more.

    Try to buy a house here with our basic salary of 800 BRL, it's hardly pays a rent.

    I can give you a lot of examples, but I'll give only a situation.

    If things are more cheaper here in Brazil, Brazilians didn't have to go to or import from US (and other countries) to buy some of those things cheaper.

    I have no problem to pay 15 dollars on the subscription, really, but give me your ping, your support, the game in my language and etc. If SE give us all that, then I'll be very happy to pay 15 dollars on the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelyLowell View Post
    You really don't have a idea how much is our living cost. xD
    Again, Were talking about the Sub Fee differences (dollars), NOT full cost of living. thats why I said that in my post above, I know you guys are screwed when it comes to that stuff, But junk like everyday living like Bread quickly turns the tables over arguing over something like a few dollars difference in the Sub Fee for what amounts to seriously the cost of a cup of coffee. Subscribing to a video game is a luxury, It's our choice to do so despite cost, you choose to live with it, you don't have to.
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    Wizzardo Ricercatore
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    Tonberry
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelyLowell View Post
    I have no problem to pay 15 dollars on the subscription, really, but give me your ping, your support, the game in my language and etc. If SE give us all that, then I'll be very happy to pay 15 dollars on the game.
    Second this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarabeth View Post
    What you don't seem to understand is that in the countries with higher wages, we also have a MUCH higher cost of living.
    But have a higher savings for entertaiment.
    2% from 5k usd and 2% 0.2k usd is the same 2% of wages, but very different in actual amount.
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    Arty Highbrush
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    Phoenix
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tjil View Post
    Let me explain a little.
    Indignation in Russia and I think Brazil has emerged mainly because the level of income in these countries is lower than in the same Europe or the United States.
    You pay $ 15 for a subscription, for you it's a trifle, less than 1% of your salary. In russia and in brazil these 15 dollars can be 10% of the monthly salary and even more.
    It is at this and causes a protest.
    There are countries that have the same level of income that don't have these lower prices. I live in one, and our level of income is the same as Brasil, yet we always had to pay the same as everyone else. This change brings everyone to the same level. Why would they be able to pay less than me, when we're in the same boat? Buy 2 less pizzas a month and you can afford the sub.
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