Bane/Sustain in 4.1

[kikix12]

Stupid isn't it?
But get this - SMN is not a pet job, it's a DoT job... Wait it's actually also BURST job. So smn is pet\dot\burst job. How does that make any sense at all? haha... It doesn't.

Get this...White Mage is better DoT DPS than Summoner...Summoner IS a pet job. Whatever you say won't change the fact that significant portion of the damage a summoner does is pet-based, that burst you spoke of included.

As for the DoT, yeah. White Mage deals more damage over time than Summoner. Don't believe?! Here.

White Mage's Aero II have a potency total of 350 over 18 seconds. Aero III have a potency total of 370 (AoE that is NOT decreased in effect on latter enemies) over 24 seconds.
Summoners Bio III have a potency of 400 over 30 seconds. Miasma III have 440 over 30 seconds. You need to use Aetherflow to use Bane (loss of 300 potency Fester or, worse yet, 200 potency AoE Painflare). And when you DO use Bane, second and every later enemy will get significantly reduced damage.

For potency, I divided the time by 3sec and added initial potency (50 in case of all but Bio III). Don't remember whether there is an initial "DoT" tick at the beginning, but I doubt it. And it wouldn't really do that much of a difference anyway.

What does that mean?! Lets see. We'll assume that the player is fantastic at keeping the DoT on (because we're talking about the best possible use of the class), so they are reapplied right after their last tick. We'll assume 360sec, as that's the lowest possible amount of time that can be divided by 18, 24 and 30.

White Mage total potency is 7000 from Aero II and 5500 from Aero III (AoE), for grand total of 12500 against single target. Summoner total potency for Bio III is 4800 and Miasma III is 5280, for grand total of 10080 against single target. Yes, summoner have about 19.5% LESS potency over time than White Mage against single target.

And against multiple targets?! Let's ignore the skill names, I'll give the total over 360 sec.

For White Mage it's 18000, 23500, 29000, 34500 and +5500 for every additional.
For Summoner it's 17760, 23520, 27360, 29280 and +1920 for every additional (remember that initial Miasma III damage is NOT spread by Bane). Also, this is only achievable with a 0 PING, when Bane is used instantly upon using Miasma III and Bio III, meaning no loss of time on the spread debuffs, which is impossible.

That's right. Summoner NEVER deals more damage with DoT than White Mage, all the while spending more resources (comparable MP granted lower durations of Aero II and Aero III, but Aetherflow). It's also a lot easier for White Mage. Cast Aero II, cast Aero III. Cast whichever runs out. You need to use Bane as well for Summoner. And as if that wasn't enough salt added to the injury, White Mage can just start going and casting Aero II on additional targets for larger DoT, easily maintaining it on two or three while still having time to cast other spells. In case of summoner, having to cast both Miasma III and Bio III, keeping it on three mobs is already significantly limiting, while still not giving more potency than for a White Mage.

To be honest though, Summoners "saving grace" is Shadowflare which increases summoners "DoT" (technically) by 250 every minute, so 1500 in 360 sec, which is not decreased by number of enemies. As such, we have total potency of 11700, 20880, 28140, 33480, 36900 for one, two, three, four and five mobs respectively, +3420 for every additional mob. That would mean that White Mage would still win against one mob, but lose against two to six mobs (340 potency only when there are six), but get more and more potency over summoners at seven and more mobs.

Don't get me wrong. We're just talking about DoT's here. Summoners damage is higher than that of White Mages. But their DoT potential, not taking into consideration crit, direct hit, magic attack stat etc...is just pretty much inferior. You get less bang for a higher price.

[Jonnycbad]

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It's obvious SE is moving SMN away from DOT gameplay and towards being a more burst DPS job. I mean SMN was never touted as being a DOT-centric job, its just how it ended up being. I don't see what your gripe is. DoT makes better sense for healers anyway since the damage is being dealt while they're healing or shielding people, whereas a DPS would want to constantly damaging the target. They took your DPS damage and pumped it into your flare attacks and your summons/Bahamut.

[Jonnycbad]

I merely stated the facts of what IS the case and compared it for two classes.

Why are you comparing dps of a Healer job's DoTs vs dps of a DPS job's DoTs again? That's like comparing Clemency to Physick.