Please add the Savage exclusive phase of O4S to O4N

[Youkulm]

Entitlement

Come on. I'm not even a raider and I know this is a terrible idea. The content is harder and they're rewarded with extras for the content being harder. No. No. A million times no. If you want to enjoy the last phase get 7 of your buddies together and start chipping away at savage. We need /more/ exlcusive savage fights. Not less.

You say its fine for them to have exclusives but you really don't mean that because here you are begging for hand outs.

Welcome to coils in 2.0. You want to see the content? Then do the content. End of story.

[magnanimousCynic]

If Neo ExDeath was in normal mode he would be a push over and not live up to the hype.

I'd rather it stay in Savage as an exciting fight rather than become a joke in Normal Mode.

EDIT #1: Also, good luck to trying to make the dev team redesign a fight just because people don't want to commit to a static for the Savage Version. They've NEVER redesigned a fight after its release, so this suggestion will be fruitless.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

The whole point was to make the final fight unique for raiders. If you want to experience it for yourself, either find a group capable of getting there or wait until you inevitably out-gear the content and go with some friends to knock it dead. Regardless, they would have to severely water down Neo Ex-Death for normal. The sheer volume of mechanics alone would utterly destroy less experienced players. I mean, look at the whining over Shinryu. He may as well be the boss from Tam Tara next to Neo Ex-Death.

[Aldora]

Except the whole reason we have normal mode now is because story/gear/whatever wasn't enough motivation to get people to do coil.

Not entirely. The main reason behind it was not because people didn’t have the “motivation” to do it, but they believed it to be too hard for them to complete. Because if that, they felt left out on the story that Coil brought with it, which was an essential part of the story revolving Dalamud and the Calamity (which created the world of ARR as we know it).

On the other side there were Hardcore raiders who felt that Coil in its current state was “Too easy”. So, you had the “It’s too hard” and “It’s too easy” camp when it comes to Coil. In order to give the Hardcore raiders something to do, SE decided to implement the Savage mode as an experiment, to see how well it was received among the Hardcore Raiders.

The Hardcore Raiding group like the difficulty that Savage brought, but their current rewards (Titles through Achievements) wasn’t enough to run it multiple times and help others clear the same content.

With that in mind, SE created Alexander Normal and Savage. With it, you had a Normal mode with which everyone should be able to clear it and watch the story unfold. Players who wanted to be challenged could run Savage, in which they could get the strongest gear available until the next tier was released.

But, when looking at the difficulty of both modes, the “midcore” raiders felt that the Normal mode was too easy and the savage mode too hard. Since their main focus was to watch the story unfold, they’d simply clear the Normal mode but were left unsatisfied since it was too easy. On the other side, aside from the gear that dropped in Savage, there was nothing new to be found in Savage, next to the increase in difficulty.

When they hit the walls in A3S as well as Midas Savage, they simply stopped running the Savage content, because they felt it wasn’t worth it.

After creating the “Creator” Tier, SE felt that they found a difficulty setting for Savage which will be doable for more than just the top tier hardcore raiders. At that moment, they saw an increase in players running Savage again.

On the other hand, the Top Tier Raiders felt that “Creator” was too easy and that they wanted more difficult content. This will always be a battle that SE has to deal with. Creating content so that a significant amount of people will run it to make it worth their investments.

So, if the savage version of the fight contains an element which will give it a completely new feeling to it and get people interested in experiencing it themselves, then that’s a good development. Most people running the Deltascape won’t be able to clear Savage as easy as the Top Tier Raiding community and if their motivation to experience the “new phase” is high enough, they will invest time into clearing it themselves, which will result in people playing the game for a longer period of time.

Ideally, i’d like to see 3 modes for the 8-man raids, namely “Normal” for players who solely want to clear the raid for the story, “Savage” for the players who want to have a bit of a challenge in clearing it (at the level of the the Final Coil of Bahamut) and “Brutal” for the Top Tier Raiding Scene who live for the ruthless battles and tight dps/healer checks which require a party performing at incredible levels of skill and teamwork.

[Zish]

It's a very slippery slope when you start putting hard work (model, animation, textures, soundtrack) into content that only the most hardcore of the hardcore will ever see.

[MuseTraveller]

Or you can wait a couple of months when your ilvl is higher and face roll the fight if you want to do it so badly but don't want to get into serious raiding?

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Guys, can you REALLY not smell the troll? It really stinks.

[Nora_of_Mira]

No.

/10char

[Airget]

I know this thread is going to rankle a ton of raider feathers but for personal reasons I have not been able to raid since I cleared the coils back in ARR when it was current.

It's fine for raiders to have exclusives, but to have a major Final Fantasy series boss - really one of the coolest final bosses in the series in my opinion - be exclusive to savage really sucks and sets a precedent for other fan favorite bosses to be savage exclusive right now.

Cloud of Darkness was casual accessible, why not this one?

I know I can't be alone in this. So SE please add a NM version of the missing phase to O4N.

Now you have a goal to reach. If you desire to see it, to face it yourself, earn it rather than begging to make it accessible to you through easier means. Whatever happened to earning something? You see something that is hard to achieve your first thought shouldn't be "Can you make this easier for me?" it should be "What can I do to reach that goal." Once you get into that mentality, you can actually achieve to be a better player rather than asking the devs to lower to goal post.

[Vanitas]

BWAHAHAHA! The complete one sided entitlement and general rejection of this thread will generate enough chaos and discord across the realm over, all in service to the return of the One True God!!