#Delete SMN now for sure?

[Feifer]

*Sigh* Devotion is still very terrible to use. It is like it was put in last minute before the Stormblood launched with how it works.
I don't see how it is plausible to control your minion to whatever target you choose, hit the button, and then expect to pull off your rotation.
With how Devotion works, it is a waste of time with very little reward.
On the plus side, at least that QoL change we should have gotten from the beginning is finally in.

Yoshi should start playing Summoner instead of Black Mage, maybe it will receive more attention that way. With the reaction he and his development team gave to questions regarding Summoner, I am disheartened, but not surprised by the lack of changes this patch. Good thing I leveled up Samurai.

[LunaFaye]

After a WHOLE month with the negative feedback on SMN, SE only solved one problem. And there's A LOT yet. So... Delete SMN now?

We don't need to delete it "now". We should have deleted it the first time, anybody thought it would be great, as a addition to the game, based on the acanist job but as a sub branch with sch. That was and still is a bad decision. However we didn't delete it back then, and it was not a class/job people would pick up, when it came to actual beating content, regardless if primal or raid. It was that one job most people played, because you got 2 jobs out of 1 leveling progress and most people didn't wanted to heal, but couldn't figure out how to blm correctly. SMN was, and still is perfect for that, with HW SMN saw it's come back, now it's just well we not going to discuss that. Wait for 5.x we might see it raising again, so it can be crushed in 6.x lol. It's a never ending cycle, till the day they remove both, SCH and SMN or give it their own base class to begin with. Till then we will see either SMN buffed/nerfed or SCH's buffed/nerfed. But I doubt we will see SMN/SCH's buffed/buffed or nerfed/nerfed in the same expansion.

[Imakun]

I'm at a loss for words, honestly. Whole forums are telling them what to do and how yet they can't even bring back simple Sustain.
Yes I AM bitter about it, I can't believe they can't wrap their head around such an iconic job for the series. XI did Summoner a million times better, it's 2017 and we can't even heal our pets while solo. What in the actual f**k.

[Mature]

At least you all get to play "sizes" with Demi bahamut lol

[JunseiKei]

A wild Lee appeared. Seriously, did not expect on FFXIV boards.

[Kona4me]

I vote yes

#Delete SMN

[Celef]

If you (somehow ) like playing SMN just play SMN and if "superroxxor666" does not want to play with you because "Ur job suck !" then.....trust me, you just don't want to play with that guy xD
His lost, not yours ^^

As I always say (trying to translate it in english so might look weird ^^") "It's not the class that does the job, it's the player"

People need to remember it's a game, your supposed to have fun in it. Forcing someone to not play his fav job just because of theorycrafting (I think this is how it's called but if not don't hesitate to correct me) is bad IMHO

[micropanther7]

If you (somehow ) like playing SMN just play SMN and if "superroxxor666" does not want to play with you because "Ur job suck !" then.....trust me, you just don't want to play with that guy xD
His lost, not yours ^^

As I always say (trying to translate it in english so might look weird ^^") "It's not the class that does the job, it's the player"

People need to remember it's a game, your supposed to have fun in it. Forcing someone to not play his fav job just because of theorycrafting (I think this is how it's called but if not don't hesitate to correct me) is bad IMHO

I'm 100% in agreement with you I don't raid myself and haven't reached max level yet for the full toolkit, but I do see why people are annoyed though... no, I don't want SMN to be deleted, I love having a pet class in ffxiv, but I do agree it needs work

[dinnertime]

Good thing I am leveling Red Mage right now. Every other job in the patch notes got a few significant changes and then Summoner gets only one of its problems fixed.

[aesteval]

After a WHOLE month with the negative feedback on SMN, SE only solved one problem. And there's A LOT yet. So... Delete SMN now?
SMN was only "ahead" (like 10 dps more) than drg and mch. Both were buffed. Now we have worst damage, worst gameplay and worst punishment.

Summoner is still in the game? Could have sworn it was gone given the lack of changes in the job balance patch. /s

Serious question, does anyone on the actual dev team play Summoner? How can this all be a thing if someone on the dev team plays it. Some of the problems are so ridiculously glaring it's like the people making the changes don't understand how the job is used.