Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[KalinOrthos]

The more I see people who say they're from WoW and the responses that people on the forums make about WoW/WoW players the more I wonder how it is even competition fot FFXIV anymore.

Because they're the status quo. McDonald's is largely garbage food. You have some standouts in their menu, but largely, you know you're getting the dregs of fast food there. But they are so accessable and well known, they still remain among the top dogs out there in fast food.

Same thing with WoW. There is a lot of good content there, Legion is actually a really good expansion, but all the accumulated garbage from over-homoginization and outdated mechanics just drives me away. But it is so accessable that you really can just download and play current content and have a pretty good grasp on what to do. It's the McDonald's of MMOs.

[Synrin]

The more I see people who say they're from WoW and the responses that people on the forums make about WoW/WoW players the more I wonder how it is even competition fot FFXIV anymore.

Because it isn't.

There is a lot of good content there, Legion is actually a really good expansion, but all the accumulated garbage from over-homoginization and outdated mechanics just drives me away. But it is so accessable that you really can just download and play current content and have a pretty good grasp on what to do. It's the McDonald's of MMOs.

I wouldn't agree that the content is good anymore. Far from it. The best thing about WoW was PvP and that has been completely ruined. Raiding is also a joke, everyone and their mother have their d**** and fingers in Mythic raids. Also for some reason it feels like WoW has been trying to rip off XIV and failing (world quests, making playing more role-focused.. I still can't believe how they erased most differences between healers).

[HiroKirito]

I just can't believe how impatient people are, not talking big pulls or anything like that.

Had a healer quit mid dungeon and decided it was report worthy, gotta wait on a replacement anyway.

New healers joins, still filling in form so obligatory "sorry 2 secs" goes out, not even 10 seconds later the replacement healer accuses everyone of being afk and insta quits??? Like if we hadn't said anything or it had been a full minute maybe but can't wait more 10 seconds when people have actually acknowledged you being there and just asked for a few seconds xD

[SaitoHikari]

Hmm, seems there was a purge last night, and yet somehow the original post containing a highly disingenuous version of events has remained up, while the other version of events and every single post referencing it got deleted.

Still, to the other person watching - this is perhaps the ultimate reason to go get 'em now. Speaking as another Mentor, someone shouldn't be doing something like that without any risk of repercussions, eh? Especially since it was ONLY your side that got silenced, rather than the usual scorched earth on everything related to it.

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So I've been working on optimizing Bard buffs. I'm of the opinion that Bard played at high efficiency is pretty damn broken. When you think about it, Bard was built to help trivialize large pulls more than any other DPS job. We got a 45 second cooldown/15 second healing increase buff, and Troubadour can help large pulls by either letting the party recover 15% more HP via healing (stacking with Troubadour) or reducing the damage taken by physical attacks by 10% for 30 seconds.

It paid off. It culminated in a 16:20 run of Kugane Castle that I had a few days ago. The party setup was DRK/SCH/BRD/SAM. It looked like a premade, but an after-run lodestone search revealed that everyone was from different servers. Apparently, a Bard making use of those support skills allows even today's Scholars to jump into nuking mode while letting the fairy handle everything, aside from a few tactical CDs from the Scholar's end.

[KalinOrthos]

I wouldn't agree that the content is good anymore. Far from it. The best thing about WoW was PvP and that has been completely ruined. Raiding is also a joke, everyone and their mother have their d**** and fingers in Mythic raids. Also for some reason it feels like WoW has been trying to rip off XIV and failing (world quests, making playing more role-focused.. I still can't believe how they erased most differences between healers).

Agree to disagree, then, I guess. I actually really liked the content itself; I found the Broken Isles to be fascinating to explore on foot, and demon hunters were actually a lot of fun to play as. Unfortunately, there just wasn't enough depth to keep me there, especially with how healers just became copy-paste similar. Tanks at least felt somewhat different, but it simply wasn't enough to hold me.

[Mysterysword]

16:20 run of Kugane Castle that I had a few days ago. The party setup was DRK/SCH/BRD/SAM.

I'm curious to see how it would go with different healers/tanks/co-DPS. It's nice to see the steps the devs have taken to make different party compositions more viable, but some jobs are still clearly less equal than others.

For example, WHM, which I hadn't touched since HW. I jumped back into it, and it only managed to reaffirm what I'd previously believed from reading the overview of the new skills: Still dead and boring. I just wonder how the same people who could come up with the interesting strategy mechanics of AST and SCH, could also decide that slapping RNG on WHM was enough to call it a day.

It's funny, but SB really seems to have made my favourite jobs in HW even better and more fun to play - I just love being a BLM now, I really do - while the jobs I didn't really like, have been given the shaft. Of course, I'm sure there'll be marathon running fights in the future that will make me cry as BLM, but I'll deal.

[Vidu]

As many others I've been using PvP to level some classes up - except maybe that I used to play PvP before, basically since Shatter - always on and off, most of the time actually as scholar.
Today however I wanted to get my BLM to 61, so no healing for me!
As always there is a shortage of healers though - most of the time no one says a word about that but today I got the same person in three runs, "demanding" that people switch to healer because they wanted at least one healer in each group. Now, in general thats not a bad idea ofc!
However: Healing is among the more stressfull and less rewarding aspects of PvP - you get achievments for killing people, not for healing them. If someone dies they complain about bad heals (not noticing that there are two healers total, both spamming heals but, well, just not on them in that very moment) and so on - in short: People obviously actually dont want to heal (or they would have queued as healer).
So my personal stance here is: If you request the rest of your alliance to do a job they dont want to do because you believe its needed (again: not saying it isnt), you should be the first one willing to change to that job instead of expecting the rest to do the dirty work so you can keep on getting your kills or exp for your DPS-class.

That person was a ninja and when asked to set an example replied with "Dont have a healer". Okay. You only need level 30 now to enter PvP. You can just go and pick up astrologian in Ishgard! Comes at 30! Done! There you go, got your groups healer! THEN we can talk about asking others to maybe switch aswell...
Again - not a bad idea to have a healer. But I highly dislike this attitude of "I'll just tell everyone else to do it because I dont want to!"

[VanilleFang]

highly disingenuous version

Do you have any proof that my version is disingenuous? It's interesting that just because the SAM is an FC mate and that I am a mentor that my version is seen as the wrong version. And we actually wiped before the boss because of the tank disconnecting and us not having a great time against the mobs she DCed against. So it wasn't even the first wipe...

All that was said to the NIN in combat was "Ninja" (me) and "Take tower" (SAM). I did nothing that was reportable, besides possibly hurting someone's feelings for pointing out that they were ignoring mechanics.

And the reason, I'm assuming, that the posts were deleted was because of naming and shaming (NIN quoted me). I didn't report anyone so I cannot be certain.

[Fluffernuff]

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I dont really fully recall their post, but their side wasnt really uncivil from what I recall. disappointed, perhaps, but it was good on them to not be more aggressive about it. I doubt it was the "naming and shaming" because quoting counts now? really? I think that's a stretch. I feel the culprit might have been the mention of parsers and an "excuse to harass" in SEs eyes. it can be rather "scorched earth" at times on that topic.

That said, It was very much worth having "both sides" available and you must admit, having the other side defend themselves mysteriously vanish doesn't help put you in a more positive light. Regardless of whichever side is "right" or "wrong"

[SaitoHikari]

I'm curious to see how it would go with different healers/tanks/co-DPS. It's nice to see the steps the devs have taken to make different party compositions more viable, but some jobs are still clearly less equal than others.

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Well, the other side of the argument that really matters more is that people need to realize that at the end of the day, skill level is still 95% of what actually matters in terms of how effective you are. Out of all the hordes of Samurai I've met for instance, I've maybe only run into a grand total of FIVE that were actually able to far and away out-DPS me. As a Bard. That's actually shameful considering they're supposed to have higher damage in exchange for all the utility I have, not to mention my songs buff them and don't even work on myself. (The number increases to the 10-12 range if I include the ones that were actually able to match me.)

Meta composition only really matters if you're in some bleeding edge world first raiding group or you're in a group trying to pad your parses. But alas, the horde wants to enforce it everywhere, leading much of the rest of the community astray in thinking that they'll perform better as specific jobs, even if they don't necessarily enjoy playing said job (or even worse, haven't really learned how to play said specific jobs and aren't going to make the effort to ensure they're actually good at it).

Of course, this probably sounds ridiculous coming from me, who spent hours arguing pre-SB launch that WHM was going to be dead on arrival, though my arguments there had far less to do with skill level and far more to do with awkward design that should be rectified ASAP before the community starts enforcing a meta train that lasts through the whole expansion. WHM's supposed death didn't come to pass, but not for the reason everyone thought - SCH being an overdesigned and underpowered mess does not mean WHM is suddenly a paragon of good design - especially concerning Plenary Indulgence, what the hell is that even supposed to be?

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To be honest, I'm not inclined to believe your side when the vast majority of posts you've made here seem extremely hyperbolic. People post a lot of nightmare scenarios in this thread, but I can count with one hand the amount of times truly un-salvageable situations have happened to me during the two years that I've been playing this game.

Although it could be that my own personal skill level is so high that I actively prevent said nightmare scenarios from even happening in the first place (unless I'm a tank, and I'm a pretty terrible tank, which is why no amount of tank incentives will make me play one for any reason other than leveling to see the story). Philosophy probably has a lot to do with it too - it is far easier and much more practical to adjust to everyone else myself, rather than to spend an even longer amount of time trying to force everyone else to adjust to me. Who knows - I might just learn something at the end of the day, and would be completely prepared for a similar situation the next time around.

When a wipe happens, I don't start blaming other people - people aren't stupid, they're smart enough to figure out what caused it, calling them out is unnecessary in most situations (the only exception being the offender happens to be lying about their experience in the fight) and usually leads to nothing more than a highly distracting fight. My mentality probably meshes very close to players on the JP servers, now that I think about it.