Request: Move all stances off the GCD, remove all mana/gauge costs, and buff Defiance

[Lyth]

I'm not a fan of making stance dancing free, but if they've done it for WAR, they should definitely consider removing the MP costs from PLD and DRK, including the cost of toggling Darkside on and off. The GCD penalty is enough of an offset as it is.

[Tegernako]

I'm not a fan of making stance dancing free, but if they've done it for WAR, they should definitely consider removing the MP costs from PLD and DRK, including the cost of toggling Darkside on and off. The GCD penalty is enough of an offset as it is.

WAR doesn't use TP or Mana like DRK and PLD do so it's literally pointless for the developers to give WAR a cost to TP for switching since 99.9999999% of all situations it would never make a difference.

DRK and PLD however do use MP for their skills which is why a cost for switching stances exists, that way PLD for instance can't just switch to shield oath and heal 3 times in a row. And why DRK can't just switch to grit to mitigate every major attack and switch it off.

Also DRK/PLD get a natural 20% damage reduction upon activation. WAR does not get that upon switching and has to be healed to get the same level of mitigation.

[SyzzleSpark]

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Not 100% sure why you keep bringing TP into the discussion, but what Lyth is trying to say is that the MP costs of the other stances were counter balanced by WAR's gauge cost. If you remove WAR's gauge cost, you should remove the MP costs.

Yeah this would make it so that they could hop into stance whenever they want, but its still on the GCD, making up for the fact that it is instant mitigation as many people have already said. So the instant/not-instant mitigation argument doesn't crossover with the resource cost argument, they are balanced separately.

Of course, I'd rather they simply make Defiance work like Thrill in much the same way that Grit/Oath works like Rampart, in exchange for everything being off the GCD, but apparently that is OP. Still what Lyth suggests would be somewhat balanced.

1. DRK/PLD stances cost MP, so WAR stances had a gauge cost.
2. WAR stance doesn't provide instant mitigation, so DRK/PLD stances are on the GCD.

They're two different equivalencies, there's no crossover.

Now WAR stances cost nothing, so DRK/PLD stances should also cost nothing based on #1.
#2 is unchanged.