If you leveled Conjurer expecting to be a black mage type character.. Can you swap?

[AmyRae]

...Umm...I would've thought that by either R8 or R14 it would be obvious that Conjurers were White Mages. I've never heard of a DD learning a healing spell through leveling.

(Should I tell him that Thaumaturges learn their own healing spells and have zero elemental nukes? Nah, he'd never believe me...)

[kensredemption]

(Should I tell him that Thaumaturges learn their own healing spells and have zero elemental nukes? Nah, he'd never believe me...)

You never know what he might believe. It couldn't hurt to try. Besides, I wouldn't know much about the differences between the Thaumaturge or the Conjurer to begin with since I only played my Conjurer up to 15.

[normalforce]

Conjurer is an interesting fusion of traditional White Mage spells (Cure, Paralyna, Poisona, Protect, Shell etc.) mixed with some of the quintessential Black Mage spells (Fire, Blizzard, Aero, etc.)

While Thaumaturge is more a fusion of traditional enfeebling Black Mage spells (Blind, Bio, Poison, Drain, etc.) and Dark Knight spells (all your Absorb spells) with just a smattering of traditional White Mage spells, namely Dia, Slow and Regen.

Either way, both mage classes could have had a somewhat equal claim for either the White Mage or Black Mage jobs. Though, if we're just comparing spell lists, Conjurer does hold more traditional White Mage spells than Thaumaturge.

[AmyRae]

Conjurer is an interesting fusion of traditional White Mage spells (Cure, Paralyna, Poisona, Protect, Shell etc.) mixed with some of the quintessential Black Mage spells (Fire, Blizzard, Aero, etc.)

While Thaumaturge is more a fusion of traditional enfeebling Black Mage spells (Blind, Bio, Poison, Drain, etc.) and Dark Knight spells (all your Absorb spells) with just a smattering of traditional White Mage spells, namely Dia, Slow and Regen.

Either way, both mage classes could have had a somewhat equal claim for either the White Mage or Black Mage jobs. Though, if we're just comparing spell lists, Conjurer does hold more traditional White Mage spells than Thaumaturge.

By my count, Conjurer has almost twice as many "traditional" black mage spells than white mage spells.

6 Tier 1 nukes
6 Tier 2 nukes
6 Ancient Magic nukes
6 Tier 1 Elemental enfeebling spells
6 Tier 2 Elemental enfeebling spells
2 Shock Spike spells
Sleep
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33 Black Mage Spells

versus

3 Cure spells
2 Curaga spells
3 Raise spells
4 Protect/Shell spells
3 -na Spells
2 Stoneskin spells
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17 White Mage spells

[Coglin]

By my count, Conjurer has almost twice as many "traditional" black mage spells than white mage spells.

6 Tier 1 nukes
6 Tier 2 nukes
6 Ancient Magic nukes
6 Tier 1 Elemental enfeebling spells
6 Tier 2 Elemental enfeebling spells
2 Shock Spike spells
Sleep
-------------
33 Black Mage Spells

versus

3 Cure spells
2 Curaga spells
3 Raise spells
4 Protect/Shell spells
3 -na Spells
2 Stoneskin spells
-------------
17 White Mage spells

Yeah in FFXI...there a WAY more other FF games, and they were not based this way. Some of you need to wrap your minds around the fact that the franchise goes miles beyond FFXI.

scourge and banish are the thm nukes, both of which are blm spells in the original FF and FFII

FFIII WHM has some elemental nukes. (aero.....whatnot)

FF IV both the BLM and WHM character elemental abilities.

FFV mage classes can level spells of the other mage classes.

FF VI there is little difference as various characters an learn just about every spell, but they have different learn rates depending on the spell.

FFVII the materia you arm adds spells to your list of I recall correctly.

in a few of the games whm has the astral 3 elements and blm has the umbral 3.

the list goes on and on ............


its primarily in xi. that it really gets to a point where spells and nukes are more class/job specific to elementals as BLM.

so stop claiming that all these elemental nukes are stricktly blm class spells......to add, in a large portion of the series, so many characters have spells from multiple jobs that the line gets very hazy.

if you look through the series game by game....this claim of elemental nukes being strickly blm becomes clearly a crock of crud.

the only true consistancy of spells listed in almost every game is cure, protect, and shell as white magic abilities.

the elemental nukes do 'tend' to be more associated with black magic but its only consistant in the 3 umbrul spells per game (which does vary from game to game)

Point is As of 2010, there are actually over 100 known Final Fantasy titles (about 103 to be specific). Most of these games are side games, sequels, etc. that are region-specific and Japan exclusives.

Knowing that, you still want to sit here and claim to know what class has had what spells in the majority of the series?

[Lock_Hyur]

Ya and u still got to lvl sentinel for ifreeet so... bam!

[Renshi]

Man... As stated from a Linkshell pal of mine, "You don't have any reason to not level a class to 50." So get your cugel or whatever that maracas Thaumaturge weapon is called and blow some sh*t with your Astral and Umbral powers!

[Atoli]

"You don't have any reason to not level a class to 50."

Yes I do.
I hate THM to the point where I'd never go past R20, and it took me months to get it to 20 because I hate this class so much. I hate the skills, I hate the AoE cone, I hate the entire lore behind it..I don't want to be forced to play a class I hate that much, just for my elemental nukes to do some dmg.

And while I love to be a healer and usually play as a healer in parties, I don't want to be reduced to JUST that.

[Meleena]

Yes I do.
I hate THM to the point where I'd never go past R20, and it took me months to get it to 20 because I hate this class so much. I hate the skills, I hate the AoE cone, I hate the entire lore behind it..I don't want to be forced to play a class I hate that much, just for my elemental nukes to do some dmg.

And while I love to be a healer and usually play as a healer in parties, I don't want to be reduced to JUST that.

2 solutions to your problem:

- Learn to play...
- Quit game...

THIS GAME IS A HUNT FOR SKILLS, MEANING THAT YOU HAVE TO LEVEL MULTIPLE CLASSES TO BE GOOD AT WHAT YOU DO!
If you don't want to do the above because you hate it then THIS GAME IS NOT FOR YOU!

[Chardrizard]

Yes I do.
I hate THM to the point where I'd never go past R20, and it took me months to get it to 20 because I hate this class so much. I hate the skills, I hate the AoE cone, I hate the entire lore behind it..I don't want to be forced to play a class I hate that much, just for my elemental nukes to do some dmg.

And while I love to be a healer and usually play as a healer in parties, I don't want to be reduced to JUST that.

You'll go far in this game.