Thank you SE

[BlackironTarkus]

Unless they plan to give DRK & PLD something like trick attack that boosts raid dps, it's not the same. The utility they bring will just keep being less and less useful, and should be compensated for by war having superior personal cooldowns.

DRK's utility increases their personal dps when used and that's really all DRK brings, is TBN. That and for right now it feels like DRK mains from HW are the only ones who know how to use reprisal still lmfao.

PLD's will always be useful in some way or another. Using cover or hallowed to cheese mechanics, and intervention too. Once mechanics are figured out, PLD becomes the cheese king. We've seen it happen with a lot of fights. Wasn't too relevant in creator savage but it was great in other places.

[VenKitsune]

its a step in the right directions but its still not 100% balanced. with these changes DRK will be the least desirable tank due to a significant lack of defensive cooldowns.

[Velthice]

PLD's will always be useful in some way or another.

Yea, just like they were in each and every tier of alexand- no wait, bad example...

[eagledorf]

Again, wait for Tuesday because we have no idea what the changes will be. It's just too early for any kind of feedback on changes that don't even exist yet.

But yeah, if 4.05 rolls around and DRK/PLD isn't at least equal to any comp including a WAR, some people at SE most definitely need to lose their jobs.

That's really all there is to it. That's basically the standard for tank balance coming out of HW. DRK+PLD needs to be desirable.

[BlackironTarkus]

Yea, just like they were in each and every tier of alexand- no wait, bad example...

PLD were great if played correctly, they were only 5% behind a DRK but brought superior defensive options on:

A2S, A5S, Half of A6S, A7S, Second half of A8S, A9S, A10S, A11S
Thordan EX, Ravana EX, Nidhogg EX, Sephirot EX, Zurvan EX.

They weren't that bad to be completely honest.

The reason pld were shunned at the higher levels of play is because trick attack was insanely strong and ninjas didn't want to apply their own debuff. In comes warrior with it's slashing debuff and immensely powerful 10% damage down on the boss and it locks in the warrior. Dragoon paired with Bard and SMN/BLM was a given too because of the nature of their buffs/damage. This pushed monk out and made the -10% INT from DRK to replace dragon kick more desirable than -10% STR.

Really gotta understand all aspects of what pushed out Paladin from the meta.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Yea, just like they were in each and every tier of alexand- no wait, bad example...

Paladin was shunned because the devs attempted to force a physical and magical mitigation dichotomy that pitted either it or Dark Knight against each other. With a large amount of fights using magic based damage, Dark Knight always won out. Paladin also suffered from slow mitigation options and no aoe damage to speak of. None of these issues exist correctly, thus Paladin is nowhere near in the same spot as back in 3.x.

[Alphras]

The reason pld were shunned at the higher levels of play is because trick attack was insanely strong and ninjas didn't want to apply their own debuff. In comes warrior with it's slashing debuff and immensely powerful 10% damage down on the boss and it locks in the warrior. Dragoon paired with Bard and SMN/BLM was a given too because of the nature of their buffs/damage. This pushed monk out and made the -10% INT from DRK to replace dragon kick more desirable than -10% STR.

This is so much. Most people don't even understand why PLD was not Meta in 3.x and just parrot what they read on the forum or reddit.

Paladin was shunned because the devs attempted to force a physical and magical mitigation dichotomy that pitted either it or Dark Knight against each other. With a large amount of fights using magic based damage, Dark Knight always won out. Paladin also suffered from slow mitigation options and no aoe damage to speak of. None of these issues exist correctly, thus Paladin is nowhere near in the same spot as back in 3.x.

Every tank could tank every fight just fine. Mitigation (on tanks) was never a problem.

[Dizzy_Derp]

Yay STR on accessories.

Wanna bet it's gonna be something like 20-30 STR, thereby making absolutely no difference to the current situation because VIT is still a binary stat that loses all value past the line of necessity?

Calling it right now.

If so whatever we got the 270 and if we are still equipping them because of super low are then they will see and add more str

[Argyle_Darkheart]

The changes they revealed are much appreciated, but I'm still holding out hope that Inner Release and Unchained have their recasts separated.

[FearShadow]

They said that their goal was for us to stop using i270 acc. So either their planned accessories will be close or somewhat better and/or they will lock us tanks out of the i270 str acc