Lets stop fighting SE and work with them. What are your ideas?

[Reynhart]

Considering creator was cleared in the first week I'd assume that full crafted accs would at least be enough to pass the hp checks.

If we look at Creator's release, crafted accessories had the same main stat as Creator normal, so you'll have probably the same HP by wearing Lakshmi/Omega gear.

We don't know yet how low our hp can go to survive in savage, but at the very least I'm pretty sure we won't need more than full 320 fending gear give us.

Of course we won't need more than that. If the ilvl required is 320, then a full i320 set will be enough to pass all types of checks. It'll still prevent i270 STR acc to be "BiS"

[aleph_null]

If we look at Creator's release, crafted accessories had the same main stat as Creator normal, so you'll have probably the same HP by wearing Lakshmi/Omega gear.

Of course we won't need more than that. If the ilvl required is 320, then a full i320 set will be enough to pass all types of checks. It'll still prevent i270 STR acc to be "BiS"

Err, which is the point fallen and I was making? If i320 set gives enough vit for hp checks then additional vit would have little value until they allow for a different cd usage and lower tank stance uptime, which is very unlikely until you get a decent amount of higher hp. That means vit accs will be pretty much worthless due to the low dps boost they offer compared to healer/dps accs.

[Reynhart]

Err, which is the point fallen and I was making? If i320 set gives enough vit for hp checks then additional vit would have little value until they allow for a different cd usage and lower tank stance uptime, which is very unlikely until you get a decent amount of higher hp. That means vit accs will be pretty much worthless due to the low dps boost they offer compared to healer/dps accs.

The problem is not the additionnal vitaly above i320. The problem is that, for now, i320 VIT is considered worthless against i270 STR acc. And that's even before knowing if the HP checks will be designed for full i320 VIT acc+Tank stance or just i320 gear.

[aleph_null]

The problem is not the additionnal vitaly above i320. The problem is that, for now, i320 VIT is considered worthless against i270 STR acc. And that's even knowing if the HP checks are designed for full i320 VIT acc+Tank stance or just i320 gear.

That wasn't the point I was making though. The problem (at least what I consider a problem) is that the lack of dps scaling on the right side makes vit acc drops worthless compared to dps/healing accs, and that's just bad design since everyone would be hoping that they don't get fending accs from the first floor everytime they do their weekly clears.

i320 fending is worthless compared to i270 slaying in susano ex and lakshmi ex due to the low tuning in all aspects of the fight. It's not just easy for tanks, it's easy for everyone. Easy mechanic checks, easy hp checks (with proper mitigation and tank swaps), easy healing checks, and also easy dps checks. We don't know if that'll still be the case for savage later, though I'm quite certain I won't need full fending right side with my current co-tank and healers.

And before you say str tanks are being carried/catered by the healers, no, we aren't being carried at the expense of the healers. If the healers have to cater to the tanks so much that the healers' dps losses add up to more than what the tanks gain from using str accs then the tanks are bad. One of my recent susano ex runs had 2961 pld dps, 2738 drk dps, 1706 sch dps, and 1462 ast dps. I wouldn't say I was being catered by my healers unless you can show me parses with vit tanks where the combined dps of all tanks and healers surpass the sum of those numbers my group got. As long as total group dps goes up, even if healers' dps go down, it's optimal, not catering.