Roulette Tweak Suggestion

[Rongway]

So why stick us in Sastasha, again?

why the hell are we forced to run through goddamn Sastasha?

You chose to queue for the roulette instead of queuing for the specific dungeons that you actually wanted to do. If you want to do something else, queue for something else.

[Lelila38]

I don't think the OP is saying to screw over new players. I think she's saying if the DF decides to assign her to a party with a level 17 player, or decides to assign such a player to her incomplete pre-made party, then she doesn't mind if it ends up picking Sastasha (For example). However if all the players end up being over level 40 (for example), then it should be a random 35+ dungeon.

Seems fair enough. I don't know how DF's algorithm works for deciding who's in what party so this might be quite tricky (but as with anything, not impossible, just means if it's tricky it won't be implemented for a long time).

That's exactly what we've been saying. I don't mind running low level dungeons one bit, if there's someone in the group that benefits from it. But if everyone far outlevels the duty we rolled, it's a benefit to noone.

[OcieKo]

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The bonus xp changes pretty drastically, for Bardam's Mettle the roulette bonus is around 600k, at the same level Sastasha's is about 1.8M, albiet you can easily get 2M xp out of abardams run, but the actual difference in end xp for getting either in roulette is maybe 400-500k as opposed to the difference in actual xp attained from the dungeon itself where BMs completion bonus is probably more than sastasha altogether.

[Maeka]

I don't think the OP is saying to screw over new players. I think she's saying if the DF decides to assign her to a party with a level 17 player, or decides to assign such a player to her incomplete pre-made party, then she doesn't mind if it ends up picking Sastasha (For example). However if all the players end up being over level 40 (for example), then it should be a random 35+ dungeon.

Seems fair enough. I don't know how DF's algorithm works for deciding who's in what party so this might be quite tricky (but as with anything, not impossible, just means if it's tricky it won't be implemented for a long time).

That's exactly what we've been saying. I don't mind running low level dungeons one bit, if there's someone in the group that benefits from it. But if everyone far outlevels the duty we rolled, it's a benefit to noone.

^^
This.

I thought I made myself clear in the OP, but apparently not...

[Kalocin]

Gist version being missed:
Make leveling roulette help people leveling. Don't not do that by making a group with all 70s. Next, bring us 70s down to the person's 40 range. Don't drag the 70s and the 40 into a Sastasha.

My perspective: I'm a tank. I make your queues faster. Couldn't care less if it's Sastasha, Quarn, Vigil etc. I would prefer to actually help people then drag people through a slog.

[Maeka]

Gist version being missed:
Make leveling roulette help people leveling. Don't not do that by making a group with all 70s. Next, bring us 70s down to the person's 40 range. Don't drag the 70s and the 40 into a Sastasha.

My perspective: I'm a tank. I make your queues faster. Couldn't care less if it's Sastasha, Quarn, Vigil etc. I would prefer to actually help people then drag people through a slog.

Well, thing with Roulette is you don't get a choice of who is in your group. If it's all 70s, then it is all 70s because they happened to be next in line at the Queue.

But yes, I like helping lowbies out. If I see a newbie bonus pop up, I'll explain the gist of a boss before I pull it, if I feel that the boss has anything important enough they need to know ahead of time. Or even if there is no newbie bonus and I see someone unsync'd in a lowbie dungeon, I still like helping them out, because I know they are getting massive XP and practice playing their class. Getting a brand-new Lv16 sprout unsync'd in Sastasha with first-time bonus makes me happy. I love seeing it. I'll gladly tank that Sastasha, even if it means it's a bad healer and we end up wiping, I still have the hope that I can offer enough tips to get them to be a better healer. Someone will benefit from it down the road.

That said... if I DO get stuck in a full Lv60+ group and we're in something stupid like Sastasha.... then it feels like a huge waste of time. Nobody is learning how to play their class better, nobody is getting loot that is relevant or useful, and it's a dungeon that we've all done hundreds of times, so it is nothing new.

[Lustaria]

My main question is, why do a leveling roulette as a 70? You won't get anything out of it. Sure, roulette reward of verity, but you'll get more from the Expert Roulette or just spamming those lv70 dungeons. I personally reserve the leveling/etc roulettes for my alt classes that actually need to level up, like my NIN at 55 right now, or my PUG/ARC at 15-16.

[Maeka]

My main question is, why do a leveling roulette as a 70? You won't get anything out of it. Sure, roulette reward of verity, but you'll get more from the Expert Roulette or just spamming those lv70 dungeons. I personally reserve the leveling/etc roulettes for my alt classes that actually need to level up, like my NIN at 55 right now, or my PUG/ARC at 15-16.

You could do 50/60 + Trials for a combined 180 Verity.

OR

You could do 50/60 + Trials + Leveling for a combined 280 Verity.

So uh..... ya.

[Lustaria]

You could do 50/60 + Trials for a combined 180 Verity.

OR

You could do 50/60 + Trials + Leveling for a combined 280 Verity.

So uh..... ya.

Failed to even address what I said.

Expert Roulette: 80 Verity
Level 70 Dungeon: 80 Verity; Each Boss: 40? Verity. (More for first time bonus?)

Total: 280 Verity. Then 80+40?+40? every time you spam a 70 dungeon. Sure, takes more overall time than the roulettes, but... if you want the verity..


PS: I'm not disagreeing with your suggestion by the way; I'm just pointing out if you want more verity for your buck, then you're better off doing expert roulette/spamming lv70 dungeons.

[Avatre]

Failed to even address what I said.

Expert Roulette: 80 Verity
Level 70 Dungeon: 80 Verity; Each Boss: 40? Verity. (More for first time bonus?)

Total: 280 Verity. Then 80+40?+40? every time you spam a 70 dungeon. Sure, takes more overall time than the roulettes, but... if you want the verity..


PS: I'm not disagreeing with your suggestion by the way; I'm just pointing out if you want more verity for your buck, then you're better off doing expert roulette/spamming lv70 dungeons.

Isn't it you get 15-20 Verity for first two bosses, then the rest for the final boss? If I am remembering correctly(and I probably am NOT...my memory is definitely not the best) the amount of Tomes a dungeon gives is the total you will receive from it(boss + completion), and is broken down to be distributed by the bosses.