Why penalities to change stances?

[BluexBird]

Actually it's only Warriors who really have a penalty. Dark Knights get NO penalty switching out of their tank stances. And Paladin stance swaps have no effect on their overall damage - just a temporary setback to their utility.

The only job that really suffers from this are Warriors. As for why they did it, yeah... it probably IS to encourage people to stay in tank stance while they're tanking. The people in charge of this change were probably healers who got fed up of having to take care of Warriors in Deliverance, so they decided to screw the job over and make sure this doesn't happen as often.

[SyzzleSpark]

Actually it's only Warriors who really have a penalty. Dark Knights get NO penalty switching out of their tank stances. And Paladin stance swaps have no effect on their overall damage - just a temporary setback to their utility.

I don't understand this new mentality that has cropped up. How is losing mana and a GCD literally "NO penalty"? If you wanna debate bigger/smaller penalties whatever... "NO penalty"? Come now. Hyperbole doesn't help anyone.

In 3.x literally nobody ever said that PLD or DRK had "no penalty" for changing stances, and if you did, people would have laughed your own ass off for you. That same penalty is still present.

DRK loses a ton of mana, a GCD, and Blood Weapon turning Grit on. PLD loses a GCD and mana both ways. These are huge penalties, not "no penalty".

[eagledorf]

Actually it's only Warriors who really have a penalty. Dark Knights get NO penalty switching out of their tank stances. And Paladin stance swaps have no effect on their overall damage - just a temporary setback to their utility.

Um, that's not true at all? PLD loses 250 potency every time they chance stances because it's on the GCD.

DRK gets no penalty turning it off, which I do think is weird, but they get a massive penalty turning it on. The MP+GCD is over 400 potency lost. I think this is bad design tbh, it discourages the use of tank stance because it's free to turn off and so expensive to turn on. If nothing else, it accomplishes the opposite of what SE seems to have wanted in 4.0. IMO if they want people to use tank stance, the penalty to turn on tank stance should be equal or less than the penalty to turn on DPS stance.

[Dizzy_Derp]

Actually it's only Warriors who really have a penalty. Dark Knights get NO penalty switching out of their tank stances. And Paladin stance swaps have no effect on their overall damage - just a temporary setback to their utility. The only job that really suffers from this are Warriors. As for why they did it, yeah...The people in charge of this change were probably healers who got fed up of having to take care of Warriors in Deliverance, so they decided to screw the job over and make sure this doesn't happen as often.

Well it's not true to say they have NO penalty it's just that pld and Drk's penalty is negligible when compared to war. pld loses around 50 overall dps swapping to sword drk has no penalty at all for dropping grit but there is one going in which they shouldn't be doing anyways, and depending on where you are in your rotation war will lose between 300-500 dps

[Tegernako]

Well it's not true to say they have NO penalty it's just that pld and Drk's penalty is negligible when compared to war. pld loses around 50 overall dps swapping to sword drk has no penalty at all for dropping grit but there is one going in which they shouldn't be doing anyways, and depending on where you are in your rotation war will lose between 300-500 dps

Don't forget the time WAR has to spend to make up for the gauge loss if at 50 or 100 gauge. 2-3 combos vs 1 at most for PLD/DRK (mainly for mana loss, if they even bother to do so since they can just continue their damage rotation since they can use virtually all their skills in any stance)

[Dizzy_Derp]

Don't forget the time WAR has to spend to make up for the gauge loss if at 50 or 100 gauge. 2-3 combos vs 1 at most for PLD/DRK (mainly for mana loss, if they even bother to do so since they can just continue their damage rotation since they can use virtually all their skills in any stance)

That was accounted for in the 300-500 overall dps loss of the swao

[Tegernako]

That was accounted for in the 300-500 overall dps loss of the swao

To clarify, I was talking about not just the DPS but the time loss which people might not think about if all you state is the dps loss.

You need to be literal with some people here or they will never see all your points.