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  1. #41
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    Elamys's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayerinn View Post
    With all the instance issues they already have...I don't want instanced housing for that reason alone. I mean technically each ward/subdivision is already an instance and the inside of a house is a custom instance. I wish they would just raise the subscription price from $11.99/14.99 per month to ~ $14.99/17.99 per month and add dedicated housing servers for each world so that could could open up nearly infinite wards per server (so it would be the same as now, just you would be transferred to the housing server when you zoned into a housing area.)
    We already have an instance for each individual plot and apartment, it's just only the interior of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by vakarianne View Post
    I'd be curious to see a per-ward heat map showing actual player activity outside of their own plots of land, something that illustrated exactly how many people are spending time utilizing the neighborhood.
    I spend, and have always spent, the majority of my time when crafting and idling in the housing wards. They are dead of people. I don't see my neighbors, ever.
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    I agree there is barely anyone in the wards. When I met one from a FC that owned a house near mine she mentioned how she barely even sees anyone. Heck I have never seen all of my direct neighbors. Also they could leave the wards for FC housing. This way people could still see each other. But there is really no need to have it for personal owners too. Especially since it means that barely anyone gets a house. Needs of the many > Needs of a few.
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    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
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    This is exactly my dream too.
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    In my soul, I am still that small child who did not care about anything else but the beautiful colors of a rainbow. ~Papiha Ghosh

  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elamys View Post
    We already have an instance for each individual plot and apartment, it's just only the interior of it.
    You should re-read what I said...I think you missed the part where I said "technically each ward/subdivision is already an instance and the inside of a house is a custom instance." I'm talking about a server dedicated to housing...as in, an entire separate server for each world (but seemless transition to the player) that does nothing but serve up wards and interior instances. Now that I would be willing to pay a tad extra for...
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    Last edited by Ayerinn; 07-12-2017 at 04:20 AM.

  5. #45
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    Alinhbo Rhiki
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    How this would work for people who already have houses and would cry about wanting compensation, though? No clue. I personally would hand over my house for the possibility of instanced (ideally upgrade-able) housing, but I'm sure most house-owners would not agree with this measure :/
    The house interiors are already instances. All SE would have to do is make the full plot an instance and tell the current owners the new way to access it. No need for compensation. The big difference between fully instanced housing and the current implementation is you would lose the "neighborhood" look and feel. However even that could be maintained somewhat with a common entry/communal area with all of the amenities of the current system.
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  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbe931 View Post
    Unfortunately 720 new total plots is nowhere near enough supply to satisfy the very real demand for housing on mid/high-pop servers. Drawing from unofficial census data because we'll never get official active subscriber numbers (https://ffxivcensus.com/) there are about 9,500 active players on my server. Once Housing (Shirogane Savage) is released in the 4.1 patch cycle there will be a total of 2,880 plots to be split between FC's and individuals. This means that 70% (2880/9500)of the active subscribers on my server cannot own a house not because of gil, but because of the artificial scarcity. On Balmung, 85% of active subscribers are not able to own housing, again not because of gil but because of artificial scarcity. If its an issue of resources, then scrap Diadem as it is effectively dead content that takes up server space and no one uses.
    First I'm not sure why you completely disregard Apartments because they are small but almost identical to ward Houses except they don't have yards and you can't crossbred plants, interior they are the same content. Second is how many plots and apartments are available on you're server? On mine we have few plots from demolish and a lot of apartments, so we have enough to provide the people that want housing. When you add Wards and Apartments together, it's about 10,500 units available after Shirogane is launched. There is only going to a select few servers that won't be able to provide housing to every player in that world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elamys View Post
    I spend, and have always spent, the majority of my time when crafting and idling in the housing wards. They are dead of people. I don't see my neighbors, ever.
    Just like real life... Seriously though, I would love to see SE add more things to the wards to provide player interaction but SE is stuck trying hard squeeze every last drop to find ways to add more wards without effecting other game content.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ayerinn View Post
    You should re-read what I said...I think you missed the part where I said "technically each ward/subdivision is already an instance and the inside of a house is a custom instance." I'm talking about a server dedicated to housing...as in, an entire separate server for each world (but seemless transition to the player) that does nothing but serve up wards and interior instances. Now that I would be willing to pay a tad extra for...
    It's possible but comes are a cost. Let's assume SE did this and divided the Data Center up into three parts; World Server, DF Server, and Housing Server. You would have to pull resources from World and DF to feed into Housing. Do you think the community would accept longer queues on the DF until space is freed up to run the instance, or on the World player would be unable to enter a zone because that area has reached it's max amount of players? Bottom line is does the benefit out way the cost?
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    Last edited by Dyvid; 07-12-2017 at 05:10 PM.

  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyvid View Post
    Stuff about apartments
    To me, apartments really feel less than houses. You miss out on the outdoors customisation, get limited space, and it's one room. I've toyed around with some stuff in mine but I feel the limitation.

    The other side of your numbers would be, with Adamantoise for example, at a quick search has 1551 free companies without an estate and we can likely expect many of them will be competing against the players for the Shirogane plots. Which is actually slightly lower than the vague average of 1689 (based on the fc search tool)

    It could feel better, perhaps, if you could upgrade your apartment. Have another level that gives you a little upstairs section and maybe one more that adds a balcony that lets you have outdoor furniture on it, which would make it potentially as similar to a cottage as you can get. This could even become preferable to houses for some people if you consider the potential views from the balconies.

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  8. #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyvid View Post
    stuff about splitting servers
    The last part of the quote is the thing that helps make it work though.

    Rather than doing the split, maybe have a new housing area that is accessible like normal, but you can only buy property there if you have a certain additional service on your account (like extra how retainers work). That housing could be on it's own server for the data center and be adjusted to demand.

    Add in some attractive features to it, maybe all the plots are large (it's the rich part of town?), more wards are added as others are filled up so there's pretty much always free plots. And if it's priced just right then people snap it up, providing the extra money to cover the servers needed. If it's paying for a premium housing option, it could be considered different than a maintenance fee?
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  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watachy View Post
    C'était en fait SE qui survolait Ishgard sur une liasse de billets

    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    People don't know how to take criticism anymore, and bad play is rewarded with with a coddling mentality. Yes, this is a casual game for the most part - that doesn't mean people need to walk on eggshells in fear of getting reported for pointing out things. This whole 'please don't say anything even slightly negative' mentality that we seem to be going towards and the devs seemingly pushing towards it is creating a disturbing trend.

  10. #50
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    Mari Sakamoto
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyvid View Post
    First I'm not sure why you completely disregard Apartments because they are small but almost identical to ward Houses except they don't have yards and you can't crossbred plants, interior they are the same content. Second is how many plots and apartments are available on you're server? On mine we have few plots from demolish and a lot of apartments, so we have enough to provide the people that want housing. When you add Wards and Apartments together, it's about 10,500 units available after Shirogane is launched. There is only going to a select few servers that won't be able to provide housing to every player in that world.
    Please check the realism and facts comparing to estimation and assumption. Because even if Shirogane is released, there won't be enough housing for every server. Also for those who compare apartments and size of the plots clearly show that they aren't interested in housing in general and have not actually done housing before.

    Size of the apartment is SAME as FC house's room. Without gardening plus outdoor furnishing.
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