A detailed Reaction to Warrior in SB

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Difference is with HW using BB, SP, or SE in a optimal way was harder to learn then using path till eye hits 9 seconds and occasionally fitting in BB when you think you might lose aggro.

Eye spam, occasionally BB if you're sure you won't rip aggro, and time your Berserk windows for at least 3 FC's, which was possible at all skill speeds. Fracture was by and large a dps loss to use outside of Berserk except in super niche situations, and Path was mostly ignored except for rare cases of both raid wide AoE and using Path meant saving healer GCD's.

4.X WAR is a lot more engaging. The above is why I quit WAR in 3.X, due to both being god tier and being deceptively easy to optimize.

[Tegernako]

I really dont tbink thats the case. Outside of prog or intense incoming damage you weren't using path. And 99% of the time if you used block you were fucking up. It was seriously just eye spam. 3.x war was probably the easiest class i ever played.

Sorry I was thinking end game content when I posted that. (it's why I said optimal) and I'm going to disagree simply because dps between good and bad was night and day and because I saw lots of people struggling with it.

I mean, I could be wrong but that's my experience. As a matter of fact, judging by your other posts you were probably better at WAR then I ever was so I'd even wager and say you probably are. But as I said, what I said earlier was simply from what I personally saw.

4.X WAR is a lot more engaging.

I find the only people to really say that are the ones who hated WAR in HW for whatever reason. Meanwhile active WAR players generally dislike it and not just because it's not the best tank either.

[P4X0R10N]

If they could make 4.0 pve war more like 4.0 pvp war I'd be happy.

Why?

Onslaught has group utility because of its knockback. And tomahawk slows do I don't really need onslaught as a gap closer. So the Rage Cost there is not as big a deal.

I can self heal while in deliverance with recuperate.

No stance swap penalty means I can build rage while in defiance and swap to deliverance and immediately fc spam. Feels great. This is the greatest thing.

No useless abilities like shake it off.

No nearly useless combos like with BB in pve. BB in pvp increases damage by EVERYONE.

No infuriate which limits fc spam to 4 or so. Anything over 4 is taking too long anyhow.

In short, more self sustain with recuperate, better flow cuz no stance swap penalty , AND great party utility with Butcher's Block.

I wish pvp war could be pve war.

[whiskeybravo]

I find the only people to really say that are the ones who hated WAR in HW for whatever reason. Meanwhile active WAR players generally dislike it and not just because it's not the best tank either.

I hated playing warrior in HW only because all I was required to do was wear str and dps. Like, can't I just bring my dragoon? Lol

Similar to Thunda Cat, I feel like I'm one of the few actually enjoying 4.0 Warrior. I do think some of the mechanics could use a little tweaking, but despite the wonkiness I'm having more fun playing it now than I've ever had before.

[Gravton]

Yeah, war/drk got pretty screwed. I hope it doesn't take 2 years for you all to get some fixes in.

[Tegernako]

I hated playing warrior in HW only because all I was required to do was wear str and dps. Like, can't I just bring my dragoon? Lol

You weren't required to do anything. And everyone dps's, even in tank stance.

I think some people forget that not everyone chose WAR because it was meta. I didn't.

[P4X0R10N]

You weren't required to do anything. And everyone dps's, even in tank stance.

I think some people forget that not everyone chose WAR because it was meta. I didn't.

Neither did I. And I think people forget that raiding isn't the whole game. Hunts are one of my favorite activities, and having no access to self healing really curbed my enjoyment of hunts.

It's so dumb that I have to swap to tank stance solely for heals when fighting a hunt boss.

Make equilibrium heal in deliverance. I can't remember the last time I needed the tp.

And while other tanks get defensive lvl 70 abilities which adds party utility, we get a dps ability the enjoyment of which is mangled by the stupid tank swap penalty.

If we ain't gonna bring nothing, at least make our dps superior.

[Tegernako]

Not to mention it makes another ability, unchained worthless.

[P4X0R10N]

I'm okay with them effectively replacing unchained with inner release IF they had made using it easier by getting rid of the stance swap penalty and doing something about the infuriate trait to make it easier to line up infuriate, berserk and inner release.

It just feels overly complicated with so many cooldowns and on top of that the rage cost for swapping and random stun and knockback mechanics bypassing inner release really, really kills it for me.

Tldr, the ramp up to the ability takes too long, is too complicated to maximize usage, and the use is unreliable when mechanics can easily throw timing off.

[P4X0R10N]

I was fighting agodo or whatever hunt boss the other day, and I was so upset when it's stupid tail attack knockback and stun bypassed inner release and stuffed up my combo.

And guess what? Shake it off didn't cleanse the stun. LOL ... so dumb : (