Standings of Black Mage, Red Mage, and Summoner

[Ferrasper]

fixed that for you. ^^

Maybe Blm should stay above RDM yeah but making him the magical SAM will cause even more discussions... he currently is strong in both single target and aoe - yet I know balancing like in HW (one single king one aoe king) isnt that easy anymore with the appearance of a third challenger but giving him buffs to be king in both would be overreacting...

It wouldn't be OP not unless you are saying Sam is OP at the moment because they stated in their design for Sam that lack of utility means big numbers which is has. BLM doesn't have the big numbers of Sam, and we have the mobility crutch as well. In order to fix that issue, we need to increase the potency of it's spells and make it a little more mobile with triplecast CD reduction.

[Neela]

The difference is Sams & Rdms op-ness is official intended by SE to hype the new cls. Blm not.

[Ferrasper]

The difference is Sams & Rdms op-ness is official intended by SE to hype the new cls. Blm not.

I seriously doubt they are going to nerf RDM and SAM because that would ruin it for a lot of players who made it their main. It would have the opposite effect of hype and instead cause backlash. So having basically any other class not get buffed because it's not new and shiny is a serious offense to those of us that actually play the older classes.

[Lelila38]

I seriously doubt they are going to nerf RDM and SAM because that would ruin it for a lot of players who made it their main. It would have the opposite effect of hype and instead cause backlash. So having basically any other class not get buffed because it's not new and shiny is a serious offense to those of us that actually play the older classes.

It's OK not to nerf Rdm and Sam. But the other classes need to be brought up to the same level. It's called balancing, but apparently that's a very hard thing to do for the devs.

[Ferrasper]

It's OK not to nerf Rdm and Sam. But the other classes need to be brought up to the same level. It's called balancing, but apparently that's a very hard thing to do for the devs.

I know. That is what I just stated. lolz

[GeeIlldari]

It's OK not to nerf Rdm and Sam. But the other classes need to be brought up to the same level. It's called balancing, but apparently that's a very hard thing to do for the devs.

Coming from a new RDM main, I can definitely see why some tuning for SAM and RDM might be warranted. That said, I don't think buffing all the other classes is necessarily the best move - this game isn't one that is especially hardcore, the content/mechanics aren't insanely difficult, and most folks will have cleared up all the content within a week or two of it coming out (some on the very first day). If you buff everything to be on par with RDM and SAM, hypothetically, then you simply trivialize the game even more.

Sure, the classes themselves might be more "balanced", but the game certainly won't be.

[Greedalox]

It's OK not to nerf Rdm and Sam. But the other classes need to be brought up to the same level. It's called balancing, but apparently that's a very hard thing to do for the devs.

If SE never nerfed and only buffed then existing content would trivialize itself. Tier whores don't care about RDM/SAM- they care about being the most meta OP. It's okay to buff/nerf classes for the sake of game balance and not just class balance because there will always be those passionate about the classes they choose and those who just like to hit the top of the meter and will jump ship when something changes.

[Naelle]

Considering both RDM and SMN bring better mobility and group dps buffs as well as a raise (that's right a non-healer raise ((that's huge)) BLM should be highest raw damage caster. Don't forget the lack of maintaining a buff/resource on RDM/SMN. Yeah they have resources but they're not timed. They lose nothing but time if gaoled/stunned/boss jump etc.

[Karja]

cut.

We saw in Heavensward what the better buff than nerf mentality brought us. BRD and MCH were topping the charts in the speed run setups and both were stables for these kind of setups.
There needs to be a certain degree of balance between jobs and just buffing stuff can create other problems down the line.
They did the same thing with AST buffing and buffing till they forced AST into viability by just buffing balance. Many people thought AST was already in a good spot before the last buff in Heavensward.
I'm still unsure why they still haven't touched balance.

[Vexander]

BLM would have some pretty amazing Utility if Square decided to ever make Crowd Control a thing in Dungeon/Group/Raid content again. Sleep, Freeze, Blizzard II, etc... That said, I would not be opposed to BLM getting the inverse of Embolden where it buffs a group's Magic Damage for 20%, then 15% then 10%, etc...