Just a thought on Elezen.

[seida]

I think the male Elezen in this game are fine. DAMN fine, in fact! XD I think male Elezen are the most attractive dudes in the game. But the females do look weird to me in a way the males just don't. Other people have made pretty good points as to what bugs them about the Fem Elezen.

Yes, exactly, it's because everyone has stereotypical ideas about what's "feminine" and what women should look like, and female elezen don't fit that.

That's exactly the reason why everyone thinks the male elezen look fine, because they're men.

[Beatrice]

Yes, exactly, it's because everyone has stereotypical ideas about what's "feminine" and what women should look like, and female elezen don't fit that.

That's exactly the reason why everyone thinks the male elezen look fine, because they're men.

Female Roes and Highlander Hyurs don't fit the stereotypical feminine stereotype either and I think they both look cool as hell. They don't have the weird proportions that, for whatever reason, female Elezen seem to have.

[Faliandra]

Yes, exactly, it's because everyone has stereotypical ideas about what's "feminine" and what women should look like, and female elezen don't fit that.

That's exactly the reason why everyone thinks the male elezen look fine, because they're men.

because it totally makes sense that the male one looks normal and the female one doesnt (in terms of what we'd expect).
Especially when taking the concept art into consideration.
Might as well make the males stand out with some odd proportions too, no?


You all (not specifically just adressing you) need to get over the fact that many people are NOT happy with how elezen currently are....and mine and their opinion is not of lesser value than yours.




And just to trigger some snowflakes some more:

just because you call something which looks in appearance like Elves something else (aka Elezen),doesnt make it any less elvish.
Otherwise we might as well stop calling miqotes catgirls...because, duh, theyre called miqotes, not cats! (I mean,they arent fully cats, but we cant deny the strong resemblance, can we?)

My point is, we have a concept art to show how Elezen were supposed to look and we also get new illustrations featuring elezen every now and then when theres a new event or that SB illustration countdown
and I never see female Elezen looking like that in there. Isnt that weird? I dont see any of the ppl defending elezens as they are showing anything legit to prove that this is "how theyre meant to be".
All I see is snowflake entitlement and empty claims like "omg but thats how theyre supposed to be, they are elezen proportions, they arent elves" etc.

Unless we get an official statement, I dont really see how either side can be proven right or wrong. But I do think that the concept art is a good point to bring up when trying to make a point here.
As well as the general poorly done character customization that female elezen have.

If they want to add a big-head option for those who prefer cuter looks that's fine, but please don't touch the existing models.

I dont get this. I dont get this perception at all. HOW does adjusting the head size to the rest of the body to a NORMAL ratio make it a "big head" and HOW does that make a female elezen look CUTE?
is every single human being cute for having a normal sized head? o_O Can we please stop this nonsense idea that everyone wants a cute elezen anime waifu?
We still want a tall, elegant elezen lady....with a slightly bigger head. jesus.

[Serilda]

I dont get this. I dont get this perception at all. HOW does adjusting the head size to the rest of the body to a NORMAL ratio make it a "big head" and HOW does that make a female elezen look CUTE?

'Normal' for what? Miqo'te? Lalafell? Giraffes? Or adult humans, which don't exist in Eorzea. Given that the in-game female Elezens all have this specific head:body proportion, a version with a bigger head would be a big-headed Elezen and the current proportion is, for Elezen, 'normal'. The men have tiny heads too comparatively. My character's hat/facewear game is nowhere near as interesting as his thighboot collection.

(I know I'm male, but my character in beta was a female Elezen and I do still rather like them, hence having an opinion.)

[Faliandra]

'Normal' for what? Miqo'te? Lalafell? Giraffes? Or adult humans, which don't exist in Eorzea. Given that the in-game female Elezens all have this specific head:body proportion, a version with a bigger head would be a big-headed Elezen and the current proportion is, for Elezen, 'normal'. The men have tiny heads too comparatively. My character's hat/facewear game is nowhere near as interesting as his thighboot collection.

just because Hyur are called hyur, doesnt make them less human when it comes to APPEARANCE. So we can take that as a great example of a "normal" head to body ratio, yes.

I just dont see the male ones as having odd proportions. I mean, what some people said is correct: males are ok to have broader shoulders. But why would you make females the same? they ARE female after all.
Genders have different features.
Just look at female roes: they are quite chunky and have buff arms and legs...but they are nothing compared to their male hulk-like counterparts. If you were to say that its normal for both male and female elezen to have such broad shoulders,
then why do female roes differ so much from male roes? Or same goes for female aura and male aura. How does it make sense that female aura are so damn tiny when their male counterparts are friggin huuuuge (they couldve at least extended the possible max height on the fem au ra slider)?

As for "all in-game fem elezen" having this specific head: Alisaie would like to have a word with you.
(and no, it doesnt mean I want a carbon copy of Alisaie)

[seida]

I just dont see the male ones as having odd proportions. I mean, what some people said is correct: males are ok to have broader shoulders. But why would you make females the same? they ARE female after all.
Genders have different features.

At least you admit it's just because you don't think female elezen are "feminine enough", unlike most others in this thread.

Some races have a lot of sexual dimorphism (in particular, au ra) others do not - elezen in this case. That doesn't make it wrong.

I don't think anybody here was saying that the fem Elezen were ugly because they're not how women are 'supposed' to look.

The reason I cannot agree with this, is no one is complaining about the men having small heads. The proportions are the same. But for some reason it's acceptable for male elezen, but not for female. Why is that, then, if not for gender reasons?

[seida]

because it totally makes sense that the male one looks normal and the female one doesnt (in terms of what we'd expect).
Especially when taking the concept art into consideration.
Might as well make the males stand out with some odd proportions too, no?

The males have the same proportions. I'm genuinely curious as to why everyone seems to be blind to this?? The men also have small heads and wide shoulders, it is not unique to female elezen.

You all (not specifically just adressing you) need to get over the fact that many people are NOT happy with how elezen currently are....and mine and their opinion is not of lesser value than yours.

And what about the fact that many of us like the way we are? So what, you want them to make a head/shoulder slider or something? They will either change it for everyone or not at all. And personally, I don't think change like that should be forced upon everyone who is already playing the race, when most of us are perfectly happy with the way we are.

And personally, yeah, I do value the opinions of those not currently playing elezen less. Obviously we're not going to appreciate people who don't even play elezen telling us how they think they should be changed.

Yes, more face customisation would be nice of course. But that's a completely separate issue.

[Syfurion]

I dont really see how either side can be proven right or wrong..

This, right here. This is the core problem with this entire issue. It cannot be proven right or wrong, because it's all preference on a person by person basis. An aesthetic choice cannot be right or wrong, that's simply not how it works.

and mine and their opinion is not of lesser value than yours.

You're right, they aren't, but neither are ours of lesser value to yours. However we have something lose, you do not. This is why we are being so defensive about it.

HOW does adjusting the head size to the rest of the body to a NORMAL ratio

A normal ratio to a standard human, once again, Elezen are not human, they are not supposed to be human, and are not the human analog. Stop holding them to the aesthetic balance of a different race.