Shower thought...There is no shortage of tanks.

[Sziadan]

As a healer main, I can say that this mentality towards running random DF pugs that you guys are describing here applies to us healers too.
I myself avoid running DF with randoms as much as possible as well and wont run it more than I need to.

The main reason why I hate DF is that IF the tank is really bad and die from random things, either due to being extremely undergeared or for things such as trying to tank too much and/or standing in every single aoe and not using any cooldowns etc, people often sooner blame the healer than the tank.
I've been in plenty of situations where the tank is clearly doing everything in his power to die to everything (or at least that is what it feels like), yet I'm the one being blamed.

I'm sure the same thing goes for tanks too where the healers aren't doing their job, but the tank get the blame.
But since I haven't leveled any tank past 35 yet I can't really speak for them.

Either way, due to all of this, I'm not queueing up for random DF pugs unless I need to or if I got friends to run it with.

[Sagittarii]

Reading through this thread has confirmed 1 thing for me as a Tank, 99% of you have the mindset that the DF is so toxic that 99% of the runs are not doable which is a complete and total lie.

I totally agree. Some of these posts make me wonder if I'm playing the same game. I leveled paladin to 70 mostly using Duty Finder. Most parties have been perfectly fine, we clear the trash mobs, take down the bosses and everyone says "gg" "take care" etc and we leave the instance. Sure, occasionally, I would get a bad group, but it wasn't common enough for me to stop using Duty Finder.

[Umbeliel]

It's a mixed bag, I think OP.

Right now, there IS a shortage of tanks in general. People who like tanking will generally stay tanking unless the tank classes are very very bad(which is what we're seeing a lot of now.) but you can get DPS people to tank if bribed well enough. The incentives they have in place are working very, very well.

Also, it's worth noting that in spite of the statistics they release in fanfests, they actually don't tell us what metric they're using to define how many tanks and healers and dps there are- are they just defining it based on who has it leveled? Total playtime on x role? Highest recorded ilevel on whichever role? We don't know. They could be fudged, even.

[Arrius]

My five cents: make it 3 DPS per dungeon. More will get in for the same amount of healers and tanks. Just adjust the numbers of the mobs. Problem solved.

Adding more DPS slots won't change a thing, because tanks and healers aren't there for carrying their sorry asses when they can't play their job right and be on a acceptable level of dishing out damage.
That's why most of them stick to ones they know they can be relied upon with this to get their 15 minute clear ex roulette runs.

[Faeon]

Snip.

There will always be a shortage, but the shortage is mainly not wanting to DF, take a look at the regional/server threads so many tanks asking for statics etc.

Most of us prefer to run with friends or our FC/static, there are many reasons tbh! but with the current tank systems in place and the legendary samurai now in the game, there is a lack of tanks willing to DF now. HW set the standard for a near perfect tank which was the WAR and now they have changed it, so only the dedicated and none salty tanks will still tank, but sadly they still prefer not to DF or have moved on to play and level DPS until SE has or if corrects there tank job that they prefer and want to work.

Players follow trends eventually it will phase out and things will get more stabler, SE will change actions and balance according to how they want the jobs to be. It is still early in the expansion and will need to wait and see the outcome. But no amount of rewards or extras will better the current status quo.

[ADVSS]

Mustve been one hell of a shower, grats!

[DrCynapsis]

I don't like to df my tanks and I have them leveled on my main and on an alt. I run with FC and friends. It's just not worth the expectations of the DF community to be worth it for me.

Although I've had my fair share of horrendous DF groups, well, like everyone! I'd recommend it over most things to improve a players game, ie beyond the expected minimum of playing your role. DF is full of 'flavourful' players where it's literally impossible not to learn how not to do things. Running with FC and Friends too much makes players complacent. Granted we all have our limits

[Phaerius]

I also don't see where people are coming from saying tanks get judged more than other roles for their rotations and mess ups. In hundreds of runs of various content I've never seen ANYONE called out from any role. And that includes floortanking healers and dps and tanks who stand in every aoe.

[YitharV2]

Reading through this thread has confirmed 1 thing for me as a Tank, 99% of you have the mindset that the DF is so toxic that 99% of the runs are not doable which is a complete and total lie. for like every 100 runs I do in the DF MAYBE 1 is bad. You people need to grow up and stop spreading hate on these forums over things that are simply not true in the slightest. I use the DF all the time to quickly get my dailies done on my DK and 99.9% of the time, not 1 word is said in party chat and the run is smooth, it doesn't matter if its slow pulling or mass AoE pulls the runs are fine. Stop telling people this is not the case and grow up. I see DK's crying we are glass cannons for mitigation and content is not doable in PUG's ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? I take barely any dmg at all in PUGS as a DK, Yes, Paladin is the best tank currently but stop spreading lies like the other tanks are unplayable trash. You fear mongers are the problem with this game, not the Duty Finder

It's true that 99% of runs are doable. If your definition of smooth is completing the dungeon without wipes, then sure, it's smooth. Depends on what you mean by "bad" too (notice the BRD has almost full TP). Yes, all tanks are viable.

For me, the bad experiences stick out like a sore thumb. A few days ago I got Ravana Hard in Trials Roulette. The other healer was pretty much dying to mechanics my FC mate was calling out while I solo healed the thing while all the DPS were taking avoidable damage (specifically the balls). We cleared, but I would not call that a smooth run. I remember when I was a noob and my healer friend was streaming me ARF to show me what end game pulls are like. The DPS were fairly bad in terms of DPS and he was pretty much carrying the run on WHM.

I'm also somewhat colored by what I've seen in The Balance Discord. I've seen how bad DPS can be in DF.

What I will say is that runs are far far smoother when I do them with my FC.

[ZemusM]

For me, the bad experiences stick out like a sore thumb. A few days ago I got Ravana Hard in Trials Roulette. The other healer was pretty much dying to mechanics my FC mate was calling out while I solo healed the thing while all the DPS were taking avoidable damage (specifically the balls). We cleared, but I would not call that a smooth run. I remember when I was a noob and my healer friend was streaming me ARF to show me what end game pulls are like. The DPS were fairly bad in terms of DPS and he was pretty much carrying the run on WHM..

Oh boo hoo it took a few attempts to clear a MAIN SCENARIO primal in the DF because someone was new. 15 Minutes of your life is not hurt at all by this, you cleared it, the person obviously learned the basics of ranvana or got carried and you moved on. If this is the WORST you have to offer in the DF then stop making posts on this thread, that is fine and nothing "Terrible" Of course if your with friends or your FC its smoother, Your friends, your coordinated or use voice, the DF uses much less but no content in this game outside of Extreme battles need major coordination to clear at all, even for a super casual player. This is the problem im talking about, You make it sound like the DF is a terrible method of gameplay that hurts FFXIV and that is NOT the case.