A detailed Reaction to Warrior in SB

[Tegernako]

Great post, even touched on a lot of the things I have been saying about DRK while fending off the scared (of getting nerfed--that isn't what any of us want) PLDs.

Yes I wanted to comment more on DRK (Specially the lack of OGCD's, the nerfed self healing, and some other strange changes like dark dance being gone and delirum the combo being removed making it have less utility, among other things) but since I don't have it at 70 (64 right now) I didn't want to comment to much on things I hadn't personally experienced. (and I don't even understand in the slightest, quietus. It seems so useless especially with a blood cost of 50)

That being said, DRK suffers from a lot of faults IMO with the few team utilities is has being its only saving grace from (imo) being worse then WAR.

And I don't mean to act like the issues we face are any worse then yours, just that from a utility standpoint DRK still has some benefits! We really need to band together to make our voices heard for both classes!

On a side note, as for why I say IMO in front of like everything, it's so people can't go "OMG STOP ACTING LIKE WHAT YOU SAY IS A FACT!" because apparently if I don't add a disclaimer before everything, people get to ignore what I say because I said it like it was a fact.

[Falar]

Yes I wanted to comment more on DRK (Specially the lack of OGCD's, the nerfed self healing, and some other strange changes like dark dance being gone and delirum the combo being removed making it have less utility, among other things) but since I don't have it at 70 (64 right now) I didn't want to comment to much on things I hadn't personally experienced. (and I don't even understand in the slightest, quietus. It seems so useless especially with a blood cost of 50)

That being said, DRK suffers from a lot of faults IMO with the few team utilities is has being its only saving grace from (imo) being worse then WAR.

And I don't mean to act like the issues we face are any worse then yours, just that from a utility standpoint DRK still has some benefits! We really need to band together to make our voices heard for both classes!On a side note, as for why I say IMO in front of like everything, it's so people can't go "OMG STOP ACTING LIKE WHAT YOU SAY IS A FACT!" because apparently if I don't add a disclaimer before everything, people get to ignore what I say because I said it like it was a fact.

YOu're right about Quietus though, total garbage.

Needs to be oGCD and like 200/320 DA to be worth a damn

[Kabooa]

YOu're right about Quietus though, total garbage.

Needs to be oGCD and like 200/320 DA to be worth a damn

If it was OGCD, it wouldn't probably be weaker than it is now.

[Falar]

If it was OGCD, it wouldn't probably be weaker than it is now.

Which would be stupid. Considering it will only be used every so often due to the gage requirements it needs to be considerably stronger than Abyssal Drain.

Kind of like how Bloodspiller is way above the other single target attacks (it should also be oGCD, to avoid cutting into globals for SS and SE which build resources) assuming you are in grit, anyway.

It seems that's how a lot of these new "gage moves" work---you get a ST, and AoE. Now that I have leveled Ninja I like what they did there as you get a ST spender and an AoE spender, both stronger than your other options by a good margin and oGCD.

[Kabooa]

Which would be stupid. Considering it will only be used every so often due to the gage requirements it needs to be considerably stronger than Abyssal Drain.

Kind of like how Bloodspiller is way above the other single target attacks (it should also be oGCD, to avoid cutting into globals for SS and SE which build resources) assuming you are in grit, anyway.

It seems that's how a lot of these new "gage moves" work---you get a ST, and AoE. Now that I have leveled Ninja I like what they did there as you get a ST spender and an AoE spender, both stronger than your other options by a good margin and oGCD.

At the absolute worst case scenario (Assuming you build a comfortable threat lead) you get 50 gauge per 15 GCDs, or about 37.5 seconds.

Using a comparable oGCD from a tank (Circle of Scorn, 100 + 150 Dot, 30 seconds), this would make Quietus and even DA Quietus seem weaker as an OGCD at 160/210.

Except Dark Knights generate a fair amount of gauge at rapid intervals depending on the situation. Between Blood Price, Blackest Knight, and Blood Weapon, Quietus can be fired off fairly rapidly (Not to mention two 'charges' effectively held at the ready). The real interval between its use starting from 0 is probably closer to 10-15 seconds, and can be as frequent as every 5 (though this requires large packs and dropping grit for Blood Weapon)

Making it an OGCD would necessitate making it much weaker than even DA Dark Passenger to keep it in line, unless you add a comparable cooldown.

[Falar]

Yes I wanted to comment more on DRK (Specially the lack of OGCD's, the nerfed self healing, and some other strange changes like dark dance being gone and delirum the combo being removed making it have less utility, among other things) but since I don't have it at 70 (64 right now) I didn't want to comment to much on things I hadn't personally experienced. (and I don't even understand in the slightest, quietus. It seems so useless especially with a blood cost of 50)That being said, DRK suffers from a lot of faults IMO with the few team utilities is has being its only saving grace from (imo) being worse then WAR.

And I don't mean to act like the issues we face are any worse then yours, just that from a utility standpoint DRK still has some benefits! We really need to band together to make our voices heard for both classes!

On a side note, as for why I say IMO in front of like everything, it's so people can't go "OMG STOP ACTING LIKE WHAT YOU SAY IS A FACT!" because apparently if I don't add a disclaimer before everything, people get to ignore what I say because I said it like it was a fact.

Just ran into you in-game. Small world.

[Tegernako]

Just ran into you in-game. Small world.

Yep and since then my opinion on DRK has sunk even lower, especially since they addressed one of the core issues with WAR right now with stance dancing penalty being gone.

Also I'm glad you dropped in to say hi!

I really enjoyed our talk.

[Falar]

Yep and since then my opinion on DRK has sunk even lower, especially since they addressed one of the core issues with WAR right now with stance dancing penalty being gone.

Also I'm glad you dropped in to say hi!

I really enjoyed our talk.

When you referenced this thread, I thought to myself " surely I responded on pg 2 or 3....." and lo and behold.

[Tegernako]

When you referenced this thread, I thought to myself " surely I responded on pg 2 or 3....." and lo and behold.

Haha when I saw your avatar on the forums I was like, I think i've seen them before but I odn't know for sure lol

This seriously makes it even crazier that we met each other. What are the chances?