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    Deathshiro's Avatar
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    Shiro Falh
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Janhyua View Post
    TBN is a skill base ability you got your time it to get gauge back to become your dps which is highly rewarding
    As someone who parses pretty high in susano/lak... this ability feels like garbage to use. For the most part, to me it's a "well I don't have a defensive and I got a lil mana to spare" button. I rarely use Bloodspiller without DA unless I'm about to cap on blood during blood weapon.
    The 400 potency is just a lil better than DA syphon strike and worse than a DA Souleater for the same mana cost essentially. Not only this, it further delays my mana regen from Syphon strike which makes it feel like even more of an ass ability to press. Maybe giving it another effect or more damage and I'd feel like it's worth losing the 140 potency potency of Syphon strike?

    Other than that TBN is fine, it's single target and aoe blood usages are lackluster and boring to press.
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathshiro View Post
    As someone who parses pretty high in susano/lak... this ability feels like garbage to use. For the most part, to me it's a "well I don't have a defensive and I got a lil mana to spare" button. I rarely use Bloodspiller without DA unless I'm about to cap on blood during blood weapon.
    The 400 potency is just a lil better than DA syphon strike and worse than a DA Souleater for the same mana cost essentially. Not only this, it further delays my mana regen from Syphon strike which makes it feel like even more of an ass ability to press. Maybe giving it another effect or more damage and I'd feel like it's worth losing the 140 potency potency of Syphon strike?

    Other than that TBN is fine, it's single target and aoe blood usages are lackluster and boring to press.
    You're severely undervaluing TBN, and your mana management may need a little work, based on limited context clues. You should never have "a little mana to spare sometimes", rather, you should always have the mana to spare a DA or TBN, considering 4800 is the sweet spot for DRKs where you're still doing overall max DPS and are able to respond to C&S coming off CD or baiting a TBN, and not overflow when Delirium comes up for BW.

    That said, TBN is a flat DPS positive since Bloodspiller's potency was increased, especially since you can hold the blood you've bought until you can comfortably churn out a DA for it so long as you properly plan ahead to resource dump before TBN'ing, say, Susano's Stormsplitter. If you're using Bloodspiller raw, then sure, it's a loss - but you shouldn't be, unless you severely messed up your gameplay and need to dump blood fast, as wasting blood is even worse.

    tl;dr TBN is a great defensive and offensive boon to overall DRK DPS when used and planned around correctly.
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    Last edited by RaidPanties; 07-10-2017 at 02:40 PM. Reason: bypassing char limit

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaidPanties View Post
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    Doubt I'm undervaluing it, I'm giving it how it is. Judging from what I've seen, experienced and played, you use it as I do... literally. For the most part it's used for tank busters and nowhere else really. I don't even find myself in a position of "Oooooo I got 2400 mana, time to use TBN!". On your point of mana management, unless CS will be up shortly unused mana is wasted mana. Whenever I'm trying in susano TBN See's about 3-4 uses total over an 8min fight in susano, including the beginning for the easy pop delirium, after that most of my blood gen is through natural blood weapons/soul eaters.


    Even then sure, TBN is a "great" defensive in comparison to the rest of our kit, our kit being garbage. Sheltron gives better defensive ability than TBN, while yes a paladin doesn't have any offensive use for their gauge... clearly they don't need it with holy spirit and requiscat.

    Again, in my opinion the ability is extremely BORING to press, it's not a "hey I'm going to do some smart planning and use this right here! Effectively boosting my dps and making me a better player!" It's more of a "if I don't use this in combination with rampart or shadow wall... I'm dead" during a tank buster. Either give me more of a reason to use TBN outside of tank busters to idk... help people and feel rewarded? Or just buff Shadow Wall or some other defensive so it doesn't feel so needed to use 2400 mana every single tank buster.

    To me, I'm not a fan of it being a cost heavy replacement of Reprisal/Low blow.
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    Last edited by Deathshiro; 07-11-2017 at 12:29 AM. Reason: 1000 Char