Standings of Black Mage, Red Mage, and Summoner

[LunarEmerald]

I think Red Mage needs a small dps nerf. I purpose taking the damage off corps and displacement. Those skills can be purely for movement instead of filler for more damage like repelling arrow used to be. Red Mage should not be on par with Black Mage and Summoner in dps.

Summoner needs some potency buffs and bane really needs to be changed. As it stands, in most situations it's better dps to painflare repeatedly than bane. Bane is almost useless.

[Shiroe]

Rdm and Sam are too good and "easy"..., yes even Sam is easy (you can get 80-90% out of Sam with ease and still get good numbers, only the last 5-10% is tricky and needs understanding of the fight and flexible thinking)

As for Rdm, it's cheap, it might not have the numbers and skill ceiling of Sam,. but with no effort, Rdm can get thru mechanics and burst... keeping its dps above other dps without trouble (and Rdm is wanted for embolden)

It's like SE wanted to make sure the new jobs were more accessible for new players. And instead of lowering the amount of dps buffs, since they caused trouble in HW, SE increased the numbers... and mostly on physically dps too. The WHOLE blanching is off atm, worse than at HW release in another way xD.

[Psycofang]

People like to make the assumption that the 4 second interval you have the dualcast proc up is always the interval that the mechanic happens at. Sure it happens sometimes, the majority/all of the time? Absolutely not.

People also like to make the assumption that swift cast doesnt exist plus jolt 2 having only a 2s cast time merged with their very strong OGCDs dont directly combat movement phases more than most other jobs.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

People also like to make the assumption that swift cast doesnt exist plus jolt 2 having only a 2s cast time merged with their very strong OGCDs dont directly combat movement phases more than most other jobs.

Most RDMs eschew swiftcast, there's little point to having it outside of a couple cases.

[Psycofang]

Most RDMs eschew swiftcast, there's little point to having it outside of a couple cases.

Its literally a free instant 300 potency without needing to bleed off of jolt 2. Ealy in mana use and even later when planned it has a use.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

I'd rather the extra 1.5 seconds of cast time (after the .5 second swiftcast anim lockout) for 540 or 570 potency instead. It's 95% useless unless one is bad at mana management. It's not like it's free either, it's still a gcd, the difference is whether or not it comes 2 seconds later.

[PriyaJugulataris]

I think Red Mage needs a small dps nerf. I purpose taking the damage off corps and displacement. Those skills can be purely for movement instead of filler for more damage like repelling arrow used to be. Red Mage should not be on par with Black Mage and Summoner in dps.

Summoner needs some potency buffs and bane really needs to be changed. As it stands, in most situations it's better dps to painflare repeatedly than bane. Bane is almost useless.

Hey Lunar! We were talking about you in Empyrean Discord the other day~

100% Agreed re: summoner potency and AoE options. Was reading Eileen's doc the other day and was disheartening a bit.

I wouldn't mind some changes re Aethertrail/Dreadwyrm though, I can't deny that the system overall feels clunky.


I did really like the Aetherpact suggestion someone had earlier re: a team buff, i've definitely missed summoner being able to support the team like back in FFXI, and it'd be a nice touch imo.

[Genoreaper]

I don't care about lore I care about balance in the game

Blm has no raise, no utility, and less dps than the zip around meth mages?

And for the arguing and throwing his lore epeen on table. Every class has at least one lore breaking something or other. Show me one part in story where anyone says a black mage is incapable of healing or raising?

[Ferrasper]

I don't care about lore I care about balance in the game

Blm has no raise, no utility, and less dps than the zip around meth mages?

And for the arguing and throwing his lore epeen on table. Every class has at least one lore breaking something or other. Show me one part in story where anyone says a black mage is incapable of healing or raising?

Mainly BLM has always been about strong damage and obliterating the enemy with strong spells. As for FF14 BLM story, I believe our power comes from taking aether from the area around us which is why we can pull spells off beyond our own aether supply. As for why we can't heal or raise, nothing is really stopping us other then the fact most BLM care about creating explosions and destroying things making the latter not on our minds. From a game stance, I play BLM to kill things and not raise people from the dead which is white magic terrority.http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthr...3888#pid133888

[ADVSS]

I don't care about lore I care about balance in the game

Blm has no raise, no utility, and less dps than the zip around meth mages?

And for the arguing and throwing his lore epeen on table. Every class has at least one lore breaking something or other. Show me one part in story where anyone says a black mage is incapable of healing or raising?

I agree BLM should get a buff if the comparisons to RDM are true and seem to be. But Physick on a BLM was stupid to begin with. All of their utility pre SB got pushed to the cross role system. Before then, it had unique utility. So yeah, sure give it something, but not a raise, or heal. They should be the SAM of the casters, really.Big nukes, destruction, boom!

In fact....Drain should be a BLM exclusive, with a bold potency enhancement, neither other caster needs it for a self heal. Pretty sure SMN Energy Drain is a better ability, could be wrong though