Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Dameron]

I don't think that word means what you think it means. That gear did not belong to you, not until it dropped into your inventory. Both you and the SMN participated in a group effort to earn that gear, and so you both had an equal claim to gear which, I repeat, did not belong to you until it dropped into your bag. Luck dictated that the SMN got it. They did not take the gear from your bag. They did not hack into your account to take your things. That would be the actual definition of stealing.

You are correct. The gear belonged to leveling players, who can use the item for its stats rather than just its appearance.

Guess who was the only leveling player in the group who could actually use it?

[Maeka]

I will chime in to say that Lv70s (or whatever high level) who intend to roll "NEED" on gear should check to see if there's someone else in the dungeon that might need that gear for actual use before clicking the "NEED" button.

It isn't hard to tell; <Lv50 players will oftentimes be Sprouts and/or you can tell them by their gear or if they are unsync'd. I will say that it is very lousy for a Lv70 player to roll NEED on gear and steal it away from someone who is unsync'd and/or someone who is wearing gear weaker than the piece that dropped because they obviously actually need it to use.

And in personal opinion, the "NEED" button should only be used when:

A). You need the gear to use.
B). You are the only one of that class who can use said gear otherwise. (I am even hesitant to use the Need button here, especially on Tank/Heal gear -- last thing we need is people having trouble gearing up Tanks or Healers. More Tanks/Healers = Faster Queues for us all, so I let other people have Tank/Heal gear in the hopes they are rolling Greed to gear another job up with the intention of leveling it in Roulettes).

But then unlike a lot of people, I actually have some compassion and consideration for the fellow man/woman. No, frivolous needing on gear is not against the ToS, and to be honest, it isn't really "wrong", but yet it is a jerk thing to do under certain situations.

But to waste everybody's time, and refuse to heal a group because you missed out on some loot? That's even worse. Now, not only are we talking about some piece of gear you will replace in a few levels, but we're also talking about wasting 3 other players' time over your personal gripe. Now, @Dameron... if you were the one needing the gear... I see you have "Dragoon Lv70" beside your name. Uh, you can take that 70 DRG and get the gear yourself, solo, quite easily. It might take a few runs, but those pieces will eventually drop. You're not a Sprout who has no alternative means to gear up. That's probably why the SMN rolled need on the gear; they could tell that you were not a newbie.

[Vidu]

You are correct. The gear belonged to leveling players, who can use the item for its stats rather than just its appearance.

Guess who was the only leveling player in the group who could actually use it?

The gear belonged to the group who put in a joint effort to clear the dungeon. Without any specific rules set by you (as a group) its "free loot for all" - as in: Need when you can, greed when you can, highste roll wins.

Being the leveling player doesnt mean the gear belongs to you by default - check your privilege again...

[Skyclaw726]

check your privilege again...

Can we not use this phrase around adults please...its a phrase i attribute to children roleplaying as adults..

[Mysterysword]

Can we not use this phrase around adults please...its a phrase i attribute to children roleplaying as adults..

While I agree, it also seems to me that we are talking to a child, so perhaps it is appropriate. It's posts like these that really make me appreciate my 5-year-old nephew and 2-year-old niece, for being far more pleasant to spend time with.

[MirielleLavandre]

Guess who was the only leveling player in the group who could actually use it?

You're not a leveling player - you're a player with a 70 job (as I said in my previous post and another person also stated) who can easily farm any 'leveling' gear you may ever want or need outside of 60+ dungeons. Leveling players are not just people leveling new/alt jobs -- they are those with no other means to attain certain gear because they are genuinely new to the game and leveling their first character to max. Once you're past that, you're no longer 'leveling' and don't 'deserve' whatever privileges those new players get // rather, you're just leveling an alt...

[KalinOrthos]

When you queue in Duty Finder as a healer,

YOU. NEED. TO. HEAL.

If you can weave damage spells in and keep everyone up, great, fantastic, you make the run go smoother. But if you queue as a healer and just spam Stone/Malefic/Broil because you just want to DPS and the DPS queues are so long, you are awful and I wish for you to step on legos.

[Skyclaw726]

While I agree, it also seems to me that we are talking to a child, so perhaps it is appropriate. It's posts like these that really make me appreciate my 5-year-old nephew and 2-year-old niece, for being far more pleasant to spend time with.

If i'm following correctly, Dameron rolled on a piece of loot to use while leveling, Person B rolls on same piece of loot for glamour purposes and wins, dameron proceeds to threaten the group with underperforming unless they kick Person B, they refuse and kick dameron instead and now this saga is unfolding?

[Synrin]

What a heated discussion. I roll on whatever I need/want. If someone needs something they can politely ask in the chat if they can get just that item. If they get it, great, if not, well then, too bad. It's that simple. But if you want to keep spamming and picking at each other, go ahead.

[BlastHardcheese]

So you continue to offer no answers that justify the guy's behaviour and instead resort to insulting me and telling me to "deal with it".

If you can't think of any reasons why the guy might be in the right, don't bother defending him.

In terms of etiquette? You're both wrong. Him for cussing you out, you for behaving like a baby and both of you for making life difficult for the other two people in party.

In terms of rolling for loot? There's no scenario within this game where you are right to declare him a thief. If he'd agreed to pass gear it'd have been nice of him but he absolutely had no need to do so.