Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[VanilleFang]

SJW

Hahaha what!? Are you kidding me?

All I was doing was pointing out that, from the information I was given, the healer did nothing wrong. Questioning why you blame the healer does not make me an SJW.

She was new and clearly could not handle the pulls. Some how that is her fault and she needs to work on it, I guess? It's rather strange that you keep avoiding the things I am saying about the situation, and how it was possibly handled poorly, by resorting to insults. If there was more to the situation then what you gave us then please elaborate. Otherwise I'm not being a "clairvoyant SJW" by making judgments with the information I am given.

[Vidu]

Except he could have just ran it solo with the Undersized Party feature like I said. Instead he actively, willingly, and knowingly stole gear from leveling players. Is this concept hard to grasp for you?

If you have the option of doing something alone with no concequence or doing something in a group at the cost of someone else, I'm fairly certain most sensible people would pick the former.

It is to hard to grasp for me why that is such a big deal for you that you have to act like a spoiled little child here. While leveling, specially low levels like that, you replace gear so fast its barely worth rolling on it at all. I've pointed out plenty of options for your to get better gear aswell - all options that have no consequences for a group you might run into with someone in it who is intrested in the gear aswell (and won it fair and square by rolling higher than you). But instead of picking one of those options, you continue to throw your little temper tantrum... yeah, have fun with the game...

[Paladinleeds]

Of course I asked if I could have it. He told me to fuck off.

Then in that case, he was in the wrong to phrase it that way and while I don't agree with your behaviour of essentially holding the party hostage, if he did say it exactly like that (or in some other rude manner, just simply "Sorry, but I want this gear myself too" isn't rude), then that is potentially a rule breach and you should have instigated the vote kick yourself. Since his attitude (if you're being truthful in what he said, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are) would have been a valid reason for a kick. Had the other agreed, then yeah, fair play. If not, then again, majority rules and it sucks. Had I been in that party and he had been like that, I certainly would have agreed to the vote kick.

[MirielleLavandre]

Maybe it is just me - but if someone is kicked from two parties in a row, I don't think it is the other players who are at fault. In regards to 'stealing' from 'leveling' people -- unless the player is genuinely new to the game without any 60s or 70s, I don't consider them to be 'leveling' any longer. Especially in this case, if someone has a 70 DRG, if you're playing WHM in a 30s dungeon, I don't think I'd even consider you as a person to go out of my way to make sure you get gear. Everything below level 60 can be soloed by someone with any level 70 job. I soloed Brayflox easily as a WHM when the cap was only 60.

If you wanted that glamour or upgrade so much, just solo the dungeon. This goes for any and all dungeons that are solo-able by 70s. Now -- a sprout or someone who obviously can't solo the dungeon I'd be much more inclined to give up gear for // but long story short, there is no such thing as 'stealing' gear in this game if the person can click that NEED button. This is the same tired argument people make about the nonexistent 'early pulls' for hunts :/

[Mysterysword]

If you have the option of doing something alone with no concequence or doing something in a group at the cost of someone else, I'm fairly certain most sensible people would pick the former.

I'm glad to see you don't count yourself as a sensible person.

Now, if the SMN really was as rude as you say he was, I suppose it makes your fit of pique slightly justified. Still doesn't warrant you trying to hold the entire party hostage until you get your way. Refusing to play and deliberately sabotaging the party's performance, that sounds like it's against the ToS, doesn't it?

[Dameron]

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So you continue to offer no answers that justify the guy's behaviour and instead resort to insulting me and telling me to "deal with it".

If you can't think of any reasons why the guy might be in the right, don't bother defending him.

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If the party doesn't want him gone for what he did, then they're part of the problem.

[Mysterysword]

If the party doesn't want him gone for what he did, then they're part of the problem.

Oh... oh wow, I almost wish I could take this quote and frame it. I haven't come across entitlement and hypocrisy on this scale in a while. Congratulations, and thanks for the laughs.

[Dameron]

Oh... oh wow, I almost wish I could take this quote and frame it. I haven't come across entitlement and hypocrisy on this scale in a while. Congratulations.

Say of me what you want, I won't say that I was firmly in the right. But it certainly doesn't mean the other guy wasn't in the wrong.

If you want lower level stuff for your glamours, go get them on your own in a solo instance. It's that simple. Square Enix quite literally made an option in the DF specifically to accomodate it. And yet everybody seems to believe that stealing items in regular groups is okay. Please explain this to me, because by all accounts it makes no sense. Just because you can get a hamburger across the street, it doesn't mean that a random dude stealing your plate is okay.

[Mysterysword]

stealing

I don't think that word means what you think it means. That gear did not belong to you, not until it dropped into your inventory. Both you and the SMN participated in a group effort to earn that gear, and so you both had an equal claim to gear which, I repeat, did not belong to you until it dropped into your bag. Luck dictated that the SMN got it. They did not take the gear from your bag. They did not hack into your account to take your things. That would be the actual definition of stealing.

[Heliantheae]

On the whole loot drama. If you can roll need and even if it's for glamour or GC seals, then roll need. Don't know how long they've been farming for the loot. If there's something I want on another class I'll greed and if I lose, oh well. It'll still be there and I can run on that class.

Onto something funny. We were 3/4 FC party and for Baby Ifrit for Low Level roulette. I yelled "I'm new, what do?" And ran at it with full intention of plunging it in the face. Plunge is a 52 skill and I ran into him and my RDM friend took the hate. I got it back, but I feel for that poor random who had to witness our shenanigans.