CNJ = WHM and THM = BLM

[Catapult]

From his reply it seems he still wants thm to be whm that's all read it again.

Not quite. What I wanted was for White Mage to fit within the lore and the most obvious place for that is within the Milvaneth Sacrarium, which is officially Life-worshiping Thaumaturge territory. Of course with a second class at Rank 15 needed to unlock each job (and we don't know which is which yet, although we can make some educated guesses), this is still possible.

It fitting is what mattered to me, and I saw THM as a better fit, although I freely acknowledged it was not the only option over the last few months. I always knew it could go either way.

[Firon]

Not quite. What I wanted was for White Mage to fit within the lore and the most obvious place for that is within the Milvaneth Sacrarium, which is officially Life-worshiping Thaumaturge territory. Of course with a second class at Rank 15 needed to unlock each job (and we don't know which is which yet, although we can make some educated guesses), this is still possible.

It fitting is what mattered to me, and I saw THM as a better fit, although I freely acknowledged it was not the only option over the last few months. I always knew it could go either way.

I don't know how many times i have to say this but, The guild players joins is not the one you are referring to.....you know they join the death one.

[Catapult]

I don't know how many times i have to say this but, The guild players joins is not the one you are referring to.....you know they join the death one.

Of course I know that. Current Thaumaturges join Arzanaeth and I saw Milvaneth as an awesome white mage-counterpoint, which it can still be.

Ul'dahn lore 101. If you use it to try and counter my argument it makes it sound like YOU don't know the basics.

[eruntalo]

Let us not forget that White Mages are not Conjurers and Black Mages are not Thaumaturges.

CNJ 30 / THM 15 is the pre-requisite to gain access to the advanced job, White Mage.

THM 30 / CNJ 15 is the pre-requisite to gain access to the advanced job, Black Mage.

It's not 1:1.

Not to mention the fact that White Mage could be completely separate from the Conjurer's guild, just requires you to have experience in Conjury (and have dabbled in Thaumaturgy) to be able to become skilled in the White arts.

Is that so hard to imagine?

[DNO]

Let us not forget that White Mages are not Conjurers and Black Mages are not Thaumaturges.

CNJ 30 / THM 15 is the pre-requisite to gain access to the advanced job, White Mage.

THM 30 / CNJ 15 is the pre-requisite to gain access to the advanced job, Black Mage.

It's not 1:1.

Not to mention the fact that White Mage could be completely separate from the Conjurer's guild, just requires you to have experience in Conjury (and have dabbled in Thaumaturgy) to be able to become skilled in the White arts.

Is that so hard to imagine?

Yes its hard because a WHM will have all of the CON spells but none of the THM spells. Also BLM will share lvls with THM. and CON will share lvls with WHM.

So it pretty much is 1:1 after you get the sub job lvled. (15 CON or 15 THM)

[eruntalo]

Yes its hard because a WHM will have all of the CON spells but none of the THM spells. Also BLM will share lvls with THM. and CON will share lvls with WHM.

So it pretty much is 1:1 after you get the sub job lvled. (15 CON or 15 THM)

Is it mentioned somewhere that the advanced jobs will only get abilities/spells from the primary class?

It just seems odd to me that they would have a secondary requirement without using things from that secondary class.

Perhaps, for example, Paladin, being GLD/MRD will draw Defender from Marauder, and for White Mage, being CON/THM, will draw Banish and Dia from Thaumaturge.

You're probably right in so far that it's mostly a one-to-one correlation from primary class to advanced job (seeing as it's true that the level of the job will be the level of the primary class), but it just seems peculiar to me that they would have a secondary requirement without doing anything with it.

I almost feel like they have the secondary requirement to circumvent lore to some extent. But, as with most things, only time will tell.

[DNO]

Is it mentioned somewhere that the advanced jobs will only get abilities/spells from the primary class?

It just seems odd to me that they would have a secondary requirement without using things from that secondary class.

Perhaps, for example, Paladin, being GLD/MRD will draw Defender from Marauder, and for White Mage, being CON/THM, will draw Banish and Dia from Thaumaturge.

You're probably right in so far that it's mostly a one-to-one correlation from primary class to advanced job (seeing as it's true that the level of the job will be the level of the primary class), but it just seems peculiar to me that they would have a secondary requirement without doing anything with it.

I almost feel like they have the secondary requirement to circumvent lore to some extent. But, as with most things, only time will tell.

I am right and the proof is what WAS said. If you lvl MRD your WAR is the SAME lvl. WAR is MRD. they share abilitles and WAR gets its own as well plus cross class skills are blocked.


This is common knowledge its all be stated.

[Jinko]

Yes its hard because a WHM will have all of the CON spells but none of the THM spells. Also BLM will share lvls with THM. and CON will share lvls with WHM.

So it pretty much is 1:1 after you get the sub job lvled. (15 CON or 15 THM)

And when you get to 40 con you probably need to be 20 thm to get the nexy quest and 50/25, so its not quite as black and white as you make it appear .. ooohh see what i did there !

There is nothing saying that a blm can't use ancient magic and spells above level 25 though, infact it make more sense that a THM50/CNJ50 would be more powerful than a THM50/CNJ25.

[Lerris]

So the elemental talkers deal with life energies, and followers of a god of life and death deal with elemental energies?

That'd be fine, I just don't want them totally screwing over the lore by doing something so nonsensical as making the elemental people not use elemental magic. It'd be like making archer no longer use bows, and having them use swords instead now.

Not quite. What I wanted was for White Mage to fit within the lore and the most obvious place for that is within the Milvaneth Sacrarium, which is officially Life-worshiping Thaumaturge territory. Of course with a second class at Rank 15 needed to unlock each job (and we don't know which is which yet, although we can make some educated guesses), this is still possible.

It fitting is what mattered to me, and I saw THM as a better fit, although I freely acknowledged it was not the only option over the last few months. I always knew it could go either way.

I don't know how many times i have to say this but, The guild players joins is not the one you are referring to.....you know they join the death one.

I had hoped ( and still do hope ) that the jobs get their own guilds. Milvaneth Sacrarium is a good choice for a WHM guild location.
The lore leads to that, but, they are in a position to change the lore to match the game systems.

[Jinko]

I had hoped ( and still do hope ) that the jobs get their own guilds. Milvaneth Sacrarium is a good choice for a WHM guild location.
The lore leads to that, but, they are in a position to change the lore to match the game systems.

If they do this there are guna be 100's of guilds, I would rather see the existing guilds have specialist trainers/quest givers.