SE, Please stop forcing people/DPS to take debuffs that disables actions

[Fonkyama]

Mechanics that stun/trap you that are not meant to be dodged should freeze your buff timers. If you get locked in the gaol during Susano then all your buffs freeze and start counting down again once you're free. Simple fix.

Because otherwise you lose your buffs and you have no control over it despite doing your rotation correctly. DO NOT punish the player for unavoidable mechanics.

Yeah no. The whole point of progression is to know when and where you can pop your buff. Once you know the battle well enough, it's pretty satisfying to take downtime and other mechanics into account while dpsing. Otherwise what's the point of mechanics if they don't punish you?

[Allyrion]

the entire point of mechanics is to punish players for not dealing with them properly.

Did you read that post at all? He's talking about mechanics which punish you for simply being randomly chosen, like Susano's Gaol or lightning stun. Of course, you won't be baked to attack while in that situation either way but freezing buffs for these type of mechanics would be a great quality of life change.

I don't mind the mechanics that make you stop dpsing and moving. But that's because it's part of the challenge of the fight to be aware. The Gaol, on the other hand, just takes away control from you character and the player themselves has no mechanic to "deal with properly". They simply wait to be broken out.

[Nowakii]

i like how you male it sounds as if DPS were the onyones who need to deal with this mechanic, as if healer/tanks where inmune to it or something.

[Rawrz]

The punishment only happens if you move, auto or cast during the split second that it fell off. In a10s, bards and machinists weren't likely to be affected by the skill because of their short cast bars and removal of auto attacks while in WM/GB.

Casters: Swiftcast just before the buff (2-3 seconds) then use a spell and do nothing during your ogcd.

Melee/Ranged: At 1 second, untarget until it falls off to prevent autos.

Frustrating but easy mechanic.

[Fonkyama]

Did you read that post at all? He's talking about mechanics which punish you for simply being randomly chosen, like Susano's Gaol or lightning stun. Of course, you won't be baked to attack while in that situation either way but freezing buffs for these type of mechanics would be a great quality of life change.

I don't mind the mechanics that make you stop dpsing and moving. But that's because it's part of the challenge of the fight to be aware. The Gaol, on the other hand, just takes away control from you character and the player themselves has no mechanic to "deal with properly". They simply wait to be broken out.

Gaols don't appear randomly though. You do know when Susano will cast it once you know the fight. It's part of the dps cycle to take that into account when it's coming. I may be proven wrong, but I don't remember any boss in this game where players are randomly punished with no way of seeing it coming (first try put aside obv).

[Waliel]

Gaols don't appear randomly though. You do know when Susano will cast it once you know the fight. It's part of the dps cycle to take that into account when it's coming. I may be proven wrong, but I don't remember any boss in this game where players are randomly punished with no way of seeing it coming (first try put aside obv).

No one is talking about popping cooldowns and then wasting them - that's just your own fault. The problem some people have with gaols and such is your everyday rotational buffs like greased and Eno that will drop if RNG chooses you and there's nothing you can do about it.

[Arutan]

Summary of this thread: Boohoo this mechanic made me lost my first place on the parser, delete it!

[Fonkyama]

No one is talking about popping cooldowns and then wasting them - that's just your own fault. The problem some people have with gaols and such is your everyday rotational buffs like greased and Eno that will drop if RNG chooses you and there's nothing you can do about it.

And has this caused any enrage? You'd think those battles are designed with that kind of downtime in mind. Sure it's annoying, but it should never prevent you from the kill.

Now that some classes are more heavily punished by that kind of mechanic, that is another issue at the core of those classes and I can get behind the fact it's frustrating.

[DarkLiriel]

sounds like OP just wants 100% up time for big deeps numbers. get good