Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[VanilleFang]

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Wow what a dick.

But wait... Did that RDM seriously say they don't have Mana Shift? wtf

[VanilleFang]

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Bad experiences with new tanks back when HW first launched is the main reason. The other is that I don't really like the dungeon and find it rather boring. Still doesn't change the fact that you clearly stated she was a sprout and the tank decided to pull big without asking first. She did nothing wrong. If I was in her shoes I would have left too.

And you play WHM all the time yet you go out of your way to be inefficient? Please explain to me how a 50 potency HoT is at all worth a GCD. I've run through every dungeon of ARR, HW, and SB and have never used Medica II unless the pull had a lot of AoE damage, and I DPS constantly. 50 potency is like, what? 850~ HP at ilvl 310? And that's only 500 potency after the full 30 seconds, which is only 50 potency stronger than Cure.

And what does it matter? If you get a not-so-great tank then you could potentially pull enmity from a spell that's probably only going to heal a total of 500 unless you also hit with the initial heal, which is a measly 200 potency (making its full potency 700 after 30 seconds). I've pulled hate byt just casting Regen and Cure/Cure II before. I'm not going to risk pulling enmity for such a small return.

So you are spending almost 4 times the MP for a spell that heals less than Cure when it first hits, and then takes 30 seconds to add 2 Cures? Medica II MAY postpone a heal by 1 GCD... but you already used that GCD on Medica II earlier so you are literally getting the same amount of DPS out regardless. All you did was heal at an earlier point when using Medica II, and it was a far worse option than just using Cure II.

Please don't tell me you also use Medica II on raid/trial pulls...

[Meillquei]

So is it just me or have duty finder groups been absolutely awful lately? I've been in so many bad groups the past few days =/

The other day I did leveling roulette and ended up in Castrum Abania. I forget if we had new people or not. I was the only level 70, everyone else was level 69.

When we got to the first boss, a few red flags started popping up. Healer wasn't even trying to DPS or follow mechanics. She seemed only to care about healing the tank.

Our red mage wasn't doing much better. He also didn't care about following basic mechanics and decided to attack whatever he felt like on trash packs and almost always had aggro on something.

So you know that bridge after the second boss where all the packs of adds come out? Well the healer wanted the tank to pull the whole bridge at once and have the red mage LB them. So the tank did what the healer wanted. The red mage used LB and it barely tickled the adds. Tank drops pretty quickly and we all die.

Last boss I think we wiped two or three times. Red mage was constantly on the floor. Healer was struggling to keep everyone up. It took a while but we eventually got it down.

I ended up walking out with three commendations. I don't know whether I should laugh or cry.

[Katryn]

Did Temple of the Fist for the first time last night, and everything was going fine up until the final boss. Then we wiped, wiped and wiped again. I'm a whm and I kept dying to various mechanics. (I have very bad vision and essentially have to memorize boss mechanics if they come in quick succession like dragons - pulse - blue does here.)

Monk loses its shit. Tries to tell the tank (my bf) and the blm, who was also new, to kick me and he would bring in a replacement healer. They refused.

I usually focus on direct healing--it's generally easier for me to see and keep track of. But I had one fight a few weeks ago, the book in the Gubal Library, where I learned the value of medica ii. For this fight, I decided I would be a 'smart ass' and combine that with regens on everyone (I normally only do that to the tank--again, I always worry about upkeep.). I held onto my Tetras for when he brought someone down to one hp and started darting around, dodging all the crap.

He died. Black mage and I exchanged comms and we went on our way.

Ten minutes later we decide to do our first Expert Roulette and get Temple again. Went through the entire thing with no deaths and kept the same strategy for the final boss.

Now I need to figure out a better way to track regen--maybe by starting with myself so I can see better when it's falling off?--since this is a technique I'm sure I'll want to use elsewhere.

Can't be too hard on the monk--he had no clue about my disabilities. Besides, if he hadn't ticked me off I would never have taken the 'risk' I took here and I still wouldn't know how to beat that dungeon.

[CGMidlander]

Just the other day I got thrown into Titan EX for Mentor roulette. One of the tanks had about 7.8k HP (I'll call him Tank A), which I personally didn't find alarming or anything, because that was roughly what people had in i90-i100 gear back in the day anyway.

Well, the tank with ilvl synced gear (~i270...Tank B) wasn't too happy about that and started harping on Tank A right from the start. Tank B refused to do anything except sit and throw a tantrum at Tank A for his "crap gear."
The healers went along with this and refused to heal someone with "inappropriate gear."

Tank A was wearing bits of Ironworks, Darklight, and a couple i49 fending accessories. It wasn't great, but I'd hardly call it inadequate for the task.

Anyway, the poor guy got roasted between and during a couple halfhearted pulls and the party vote abandoned when 15 minutes passed.

[Dameron]

I just had two absolutely terrible groups for Braeflox's Longstop while leveling my White Mage.

During the first group, I was stuck with an overleveled Summoner who kept Needing all the caster gear for glamour purposes. After he stole two items, I declared that I had enough and that I would no longer heal until he got removed from the party. Naturally, I ended up getting kicked instead.

Fortunately I got in another group instantaneously, but it didn't fare much better. I got stuck with an absolutely terrible Paladin who refused to use Flash, and a Bard who did nothing but autoattack throughout the entire dungeon. I kept telling the Paladin to use Flash for AoE aggro, but he just stayed mute and refused to listen to what I said, causing most mobs in the instance to be tanked by me or the Dragoon. And then, right in front of the final boss, I got kicked from the party.

I really wish Square Enix would do something against misconduct like this.

[Vidu]

During the first group, I was stuck with an overleveled Summoner who kept Needing all the caster gear for glamour purposes. After he stole two items, I declared that I had enough and that I would no longer heal until he got removed from the party. Naturally, I ended up getting kicked instead.

Sorry to be so blunt but you absolutly deserved that kick. The Summoner didnt "steal" those items - the battlemage-set is a pretty good looking set, back in the days a friend of mine farmed it for weeks - and that guy had every right to roll on it for glamour purposes. You didnt deserve it more than him and refusing to do your job because you didnt got what you wanted is a whining-crying baby move.
If you need gear on that level: Go to your GC, they've got stuff. Buy some stuff. Craft it yourself. Infact: we're on the same server, find me ingame and I'll craft you some gear for free! But dont throw a temper tantrum because someone needed on dungeon drops they had every right to need on.

[Faliandra]

Bad experiences with new tanks back when HW first launched is the main reason. The other is that I don't really like the dungeon and find it rather boring. Still doesn't change the fact that you clearly stated she was a sprout and the tank decided to pull big without asking first. She did nothing wrong. If I was in her shoes I would have left too.

And you play WHM all the time yet you go out of your way to be inefficient? Please explain to me how a 50 potency HoT is at all worth a GCD. I've run through every dungeon of ARR, HW, and SB and have never used Medica II unless the pull had a lot of AoE damage, and I DPS constantly. 50 potency is like, what? 850~ HP at ilvl 310? And that's only 500 potency after the full 30 seconds, which is only 50 potency stronger than Cure.

And what does it matter? If you get a not-so-great tank then you could potentially pull enmity from a spell that's probably only going to heal a total of 500 unless you also hit with the initial heal, which is a measly 200 potency (making its full potency 700 after 30 seconds). I've pulled hate byt just casting Regen and Cure/Cure II before. I'm not going to risk pulling enmity for such a small return.

So you are spending almost 4 times the MP for a spell that heals less than Cure when it first hits, and then takes 30 seconds to add 2 Cures? Medica II MAY postpone a heal by 1 GCD... but you already used that GCD on Medica II earlier so you are literally getting the same amount of DPS out regardless. All you did was heal at an earlier point when using Medica II, and it was a far worse option than just using Cure II.

Please don't tell me you also use Medica II on raid/trial pulls...

So you just leave without asking the tank to go slower? Wow, you must be fun at parties.
How would anyone expect someone to COMMUNICATE in a MMORPG. Outrageous!

I used to be new at the game too, tanks did the same to me. It's how you learn to get better. You dont get better with baby pulls. And again: she did keep everyone alive...so it cant have been that bad. The pull was also split into two parts...so it wasnt the biggest possible pull. its also a matter of the tank himself. A tank can take a great burden away by using CDs properly....which he did (besides, ive healed him through dungeons on all healers approximately 94382437594572048194330124 times before while DPSing like a madman...so I KNOW hes doing a fine job). But spamming cure II over and over is gonna burn your MP either way. I was in there as a bard and helped with Palisade and extra MP too. So it was mainly an advice on how to avoid running out of MP so quickly.
But please, keep victimizing the poor sprout. It must have been a very traumatizing experience for her indeed.


You keep doing your math. For me, it's a roulette dungeon with random people where anything can happen. It's not unlikely for party members to get hit by AoE during big pulls...and frankly speaking, even I sometimes stay in an AoE if my Holy cast would cancel otherwise by moving and when I know the AoE wont hurt too bad. Asylum's CD is too high to use it efficiently on every pull.
So its very handy to have Medica II running. in some pulls,like in the new SB dungeons, I even put up asylum on top of medica II and regen. You use more cure II, I use more medica II. Arguing over this is seriously nothing but silly nitpicking since its a preference in playstyle. Your math means nothing in terms of healing because youre only assuming that the tank is the only one whos gonna get hit. But you just dont know that for sure. I'd rather cast it in the beginning to get it out of the way so I have more room for Holy and other dps spells. I also dont cast it before the tank has grabbed aggro, so the tank losing enmity over it is like...literally never happening. I see tanks losing hate to other dps players way more often. and either way, thats a tank problem when it happens, nothing else. And if the only purpose of casting medica II means I cast less cure IIs in the beginning, then thats still more efficient to me because it means I get more dps uptime when it matters the MOST...when all adds are alive...I'd rather use Cure II every now and then when half the trash is dead and Holying isnt as efficient anymore.

The funniest part here is how everyone was so upset over the WHM lilies because "lolz I hardly ever use Cure II" and now that I mention Medica II the Cure II lovers come out. I belong to neither faction, I use my whole toolkit as I see fit...but I guess I still tend more to Medica II(AND asylum,when applicable/available).

and lol, who the eff uses medica II on trial/raid pulls? Dont compare me to those healers. Thanks.

[Paladinleeds]

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Point 1: Sorry but you deserve to be kicked for that. Like Vidu said, they're on that character that can roll need, as far as SE are concerned he did nothing wrong. Now by refusing to heal you then could be considered to have started griefing the other players, which is actually a breach of ToS.

Point 2: Now that one was an abuse of vote kick, from what I can tell. But if you were to report it, it'd just get chalked up to "Playstyle differences". We're on the same datacentre. If you want some extra people to come with for levelling, give me a shout. I've got tanks, healers, and DPS, all available for your use. You're also less likely to get kicked that way since less people being pooled from DF.

[Meghann]

I just had two absolutely terrible groups for Braeflox's Longstop while leveling my White Mage.

During the first group, I was stuck with an overleveled Summoner who kept Needing all the caster gear for glamour purposes. After he stole two items, I declared that I had enough and that I would no longer heal until he got removed from the party. Naturally, I ended up getting kicked instead.

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If they can roll 'need' then they certainly didn't 'steal' anything.