Objectively, The Royal Managerie Will Be Nerfed

[SonKevin]

I think they should nerf it, but give all the players who beat the duty special titles and/or gear. I remember the anguish I went through when I did Steps of Faith. I ran that so many times before I finally succeeded. Now you can do it with no challenge at all.

[Felis]

I remember the anguish I went through when I did Steps of Faith. I ran that so many times before I finally succeeded. Now you can do it with no challenge at all.

Do the Royal Managerie force you to wait until the time runs out before trying a new round?

[technole]

Nidhogg Story, and Ozma. You know what those two had in common back in Heavensward?

Several complaint threads? Sure. But that's not it.

No nerfs.

Echo gets added to all trials after they are no longer relevant, but thats natural. There was also gear inflation over time, that's also natural. But those aren't really nerfs, since you have to wipe after a few minutes to get echo.

Mr. Ozma designer got so much love at Las Vegas Fanfest that people cheered when he threw a bone about if people wanted an Ozma Savage.

There is also lot of hype for the extreme version of Royal Managerie, even in this thread.

We know where this is going.

It's actually very possible to beat Shiva before she can even use the ground freeze ability so it's possible that its their first time seeing the ability.

It's probably the only ability in the fight you really need to watch out for in the fight so I just macro a warning for it.

I was talking about during the time when Shiva was actually relevant. It's not the only fight where slippery ice has shown-up though.

[Felis]

I was talking about during the time when Shiva was actually relevant. It's not the only fight where slippery ice has shown-up though.

Gubal Library (normal) Demon Book fight, as an example

[Enla]

I wouldn't be surprised if it did get a nerf and if SE can objectively show data that proves a large portion of the player base is incapable of clearing the content, then I would be fine with a small nerf in places. However I wouldn't be too happy about it as I rather love the fight, just as I loved the original Steps of Faith. I also think that unlike Steps of Faith which was a GROSS spike in difficulty from the casual content most were used to at the time, we've had well over a year and a half worth of increasingly difficult content to clear that's prepared us for this. Each new dungeon has been harder than the last and in SB in particularly there are a few dungeons that many back in ARR would have been screaming to be nerfed had they been implemented back then. The gradual increase in difficulty is what makes me think that we won't see a nerf for this particular instance because quite honestly there's nothing in that fight that you haven't already seen before by that point. It just hits harder and requires liberal use of the sprint button.

(Also unlike Steps of Faith you don't have to do the Walk of Shame back to the party and can dive right back in if you ever happen to die. Which is pretty forgiving compared to the instance this is being compared to.)

[Coratanni]

meanwhile .... : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcPf_t79Z7s

xD ... (OwO)b this fight doesn't need a nerf at all . THE END . >

Proof that this does NOT need nerfing if it can be four manned already.

[Vantonx]

Yeah no... This fight isn't even that challenging. Mechanically the fight is quite simple, and if people aren't sure what the mechanics are then they can ask for a quick rundown or something. Dumbing it down doesn't solve anything, all it does is make players even worse for the big stuff like Susano extreme. It encourages that you be social and try to grasp mechanics. I truly hope they don't nerf it. If you want easy and dumbed down, go play wow. Diffculty doesn't mean bad. It'll probably be nerfed though. You can't "objectively" say it should be, that's like saying hey Dark souls is an rpg, but it's too hard... it should be made easier because I don't like it.

[NocturniaUzuki]

Proof that this does NOT need nerfing if it can be four manned already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTWoy2MxNDQ

Can also be done with 1 tank.

In fact I'm pretty sure it can be 3-manned with flawless gameplay and well-timed mitigation.

P.S. The dead people in the video are just spectators who joined to let us launch and stuck around to watch.

[Ametrine]

The only nerf is eventually we'll outgear it. That's exactly what happened to Final Steps of Faith.

[Rivxkobe]

Its not even difficult though...

I think they should nerf it ... I remember the anguish I went through when I did Steps of Faith. I ran that so many times before I finally succeeded. Now you can do it with no challenge at all.

Doesn't this kind of, I dunno, argue against nerfing it? You had to learn and get better to beat something that now, after nerf, takes no skill to clear. The reason it was nerfd anyway was because it took too long to reset if you failed a mechanic, no you can fail one and still win.