From one tank to other tanks..STR Gear is not a thing anymore..Get used to it now!

[bswpayton]

1. This whole argument that "That doing more damage grants more enmity" is utter garbage and BS now! In just this last patch as I stated in the very beginning of my post you literally generate the same amount of hate you did with VIT accessories now when compared with STR. So this argument is beyond done.

SE needs to be careful what they do If they did a census now Im sure it would show a drop in tanks, your crazy to think people will just continue to play jobs that SE keeps ruining so your solution of stop tanking is a pretty stupid one. There is already enough people scared to play tank as is lets not ruin the jobs for the good ones just because you think tanks should play how you want them to play

[TheRealMadruck]

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Payton....it has nothing to do with how I want them to play. Every possible bit of evidence clearly shows that tanks are suppose to wear Vitality gear....not STR! They even stated that in patch 3.05 that all STR based accessories are going to be locked out from tanks....so when SE is saying and doing these things....how is that solely my opinion? If people do not want to tank solely because they cannot dps high on charts(this is the main excuse I hear all the time from STR minded tanks) then they truly never wanted to be tanks in the first place. I have not seen anything to me that is a detriment to any of the tank jobs thus far....on the contrary....I love what they did with DRK so far and I am level my WAR having the exact same feelings based on me being a WAR in 2.0 to now.

[RyuujinZERO]

I am level my WAR having the exact same feelings based on me being a WAR in 2.0 to now.

You feel completely irrelevant because the other tanks are better in every way?

THAT was WAR's lot in 2.0

[bswpayton]

Payton....it has nothing to do with how I want them to play. Every possible bit of evidence clearly shows that tanks are suppose to wear Vitality gear....not STR! They even stated that in patch 3.05 that all STR based .

If I had to guess the main people who are using the str pieces are hardcore raiders that are much better than your average tank I first saw that they where being used by xenos. If people are wearing these pieces and still clearing the content what does it matter, raids are for statics which means most of the time your healer would know exactly what type of gear your wearing. Your average dungeon running tank isnt wearing str pieces thats why I said why does it matter most of the tanks wearing this aren't gona be running with randoms in raids so I call bs on SE sayiin they are worried that this will make it hard for healers. Simply because the healers running raids are better than your average healer and would already know what their tanks are wearing.

The issue is SE thinks they can force healers and tanks to do the basic parts of their jobs and they just cant and they really should just let people who play the less common roles play how they want to play. Its bad for business when you push people away from jobs that people barely want to play. They should be listening to tanks and healers on how they want to play instead of trying to force their agenda, their not gona stop tanks from tanking in offensive stance their not gona make healers stop dpsing its a waste of time tryin to force the issue. All people will do is come up with some other way to cheese the system maybe even just kick ot out of content like zurvan ex , they just need to stop and embrace the fact tanks want to feel like they are contributing after all they create content around tank and dps damage as they keep sayng.

[Kaonis]

Every possible bit of evidence clearly shows that tanks are suppose to wear Vitality gear....not STR!

And? Healers aren't supposed to be able to DPS in group content, yet here we are with mobs hitting like wet noodles and healers able to add in a lot of extra DPS. NIN had a different intended rotation back when it was released, and people quickly discovered a way to play it differently and better. Tanks were intended to stack parry, but instead avoided it like the plague with its horrible returns.

The point being there are lots of things the devs intend, but its not how it plays out. The fact that tanks can wear melded 270 acc for added STR and do content just shows there's an issue with their design. And a lot of it stems from there being neither enemies that hit hard enough or meaningful tanking secondaries. Extra health does nothing in a fight if you have enough to survive it conmfortably. So with gear adding nothing to help you mitigate, the only way to improve is to contribute DPS.

Until they make things hit hard enough (without pulling 2-3 groups at a time) and give us mitigation stats, the DPS tank meta will remain, as there is simply nothing else there.

[shao32]

SE needs to be careful what they do If they did a census now Im sure it would show a drop in tanks, your crazy to think people will just continue to play jobs that SE keeps ruining so your solution of stop tanking is a pretty stupid one. There is already enough people scared to play tank as is lets not ruin the jobs for the good ones just because you think tanks should play how you want them to play

the problem is SE cant do proper conten as this problem still being a thing, for good or bad they need to end the STR meta as soon as posible and probably end with tanking in dps stance too to dont get worried about players skyping mechanics in day 1, overgear is a thing yeah but the weight of skyping come fron this tactics.

[ChameleonMS]

SE needs to be careful what they do If they did a census now I'm sure it would show a drop in tank

A census right now is a false positive. There are two reasons for this:
1. SB introduced two new DPS jobs, and many a Tank/Healer main is playing those.
2. This is a lesser case which personally affects me but can be extended to other players. I play all three roles equally and transition from one to next without a care in the world. I have just completed the SB MSQ on DRG for simple reason, I did not want to re-roll my retainers. I will level my Tank and Healer and other DPS in the near future.

But for right now, the numbers are skewed, once everyone has a had a chance to level up their multiple classes, the tank percentages should return to the normal distribution.

[Gravton]

Plus, as a healer/dps, all of your skills scale off of your primary/secondary stat. None of the tank's mitigation abilities scale off of vit. They are all (except one or two) flat damage reduction. So if a boss swings for 10k, I reduce it by 30%, I take 7k. In max vit gear, the skill is unaffected and I take the same amount. The only thing that lowers that number further is the def. on our gear. (Accs. Are not a factor there). So why is it that every other job can have gear affect there abilities, but when a tank wants str. to increase more than half their toolkit, people think we want to be dps?