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  1. #41
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    BlackironTarkus's Avatar
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    Jin Karasu
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    Balmung
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    My healthbar moves down slower than most VIT tanks I've had the unfortunate displeasure of running with in any of the 8 man content. If they're freaking out that the actual # attached to the slower-dropping healthbar is lower then that's their issue and only theirs. They'll have a harder time healing a VIT tank of average skill level than they will healing me any day.
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  2. #42
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    Janhyua's Avatar
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    Janhyua Yotsuyu
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    Tonberry
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    Samurai Lv 80
    Usually tank who use vit accessory are the one who don't use cool down on tank buster because they think they can just take it without any danger

    But when a str tank in play they need to use cd and and make a perfect play or they are dead


    Usually tank who play like this has a higher skill level in both mitigation and dps
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  3. #43
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    Lieu Mewrilah
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    Behemoth
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    Warrior Lv 70
    I use fending accessories on trash packs and slaying on bosses in dungeons and I've yet to die to lack of health on bosses.
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  4. #44
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    RyuujinZERO's Avatar
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    K'hali Thalen
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    Goblin
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    Scholar Lv 71
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeui View Post
    I use fending accessories on trash packs and slaying on bosses in dungeons and I've yet to die to lack of health on bosses.
    Ah but you see, tanks like you and me who swap accessories situationally don't exist, or so the soap-boxing healers keep telling me
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  5. #45
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    Janhyua Yotsuyu
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    Tonberry
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuujinZERO View Post
    Ah but you see, tanks like you and me who swap accessories situationally don't exist, or so the soap-boxing healers keep telling me
    Tanks who wear str accessory to do double trash pull are crazy even I don't dare to do such a thing

    On vit I barely survive with all the cd with a average healer on DR
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  6. #46
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    MiniPrinny's Avatar
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    Sakura Yukimoto
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    Balmung
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperZay View Post
    To put it simply, you take the same damage with 10k or 100k HP. If you can survive a hit with 10k HP, why would you need 100k HP for it, especially if it significally lowers your damage? Extra HP in this case is wasted, but extra party damage is always useful.
    This is a dangerous line of thought. Instead of thinking of health as raw numbers, instead think of it as a percentage. The difference between a boss dealing 90-110% of a tank's HP and 70-90% of a tank's HP is literally the difference of hours of practice time.
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  7. #47
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    FreyjaAshe's Avatar
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    Freyja Ashe
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    Siren
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    Warrior Lv 70
    If they lock us out of the 270 STR accessories I'll stop using them and won't complain about it.

    Until then, I don't understand why we're gonna chastise people for running BiS gear, because that's what it is. It's indisputable that the HP and cool downs you have make it possible to survive anything the game is gonna throw at you.

    It's not a "but muhdeeps" thing, it's just the way the game is designed. I think the way that tanks are built right now is an oversight. I don't think just locking tanks out of the STR gear is the "best" solution, and I don't understand the fundamental argument of why damage can't scale off VIT. But whatever changes they make I'll adjust accordingly and rock the new BiS, whatever that ends up being.
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  8. #48
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    TheRealMadruck's Avatar
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    Firkmann Solksthalsyn
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    Goblin
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    Archer Lv 30
    1. This whole argument that "That doing more damage grants more enmity" is utter garbage and BS now! In just this last patch as I stated in the very beginning of my post you literally generate the same amount of hate you did with VIT accessories now when compared with STR. So this argument is beyond done.

    2. What are you going to do when patch 3.05 comes out in the next few weeks when SE is going to lock all STR based Accessories from tanks? NOTHING! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! GET USED TO IT OR STOP BEING A TANK! SE has made it clear that tanks are made to use VIT gear and there is nothing you STR tanks can do, complain, or shout about it that is going to change that fact! All your doing now is holding on to your useless final fantasy(pun intended) that you wearing STR will change anything SE does from this point forward.


    3. In regards to those claiming you need STR to maintain aggro on other MMO's to tank.....I am calling BS on that! I have played WoW(Mained a tank), SWTOR(SAME), and many others to maintain aggro in any form of content unless you were severely out leveled or severely under geared. Those who claim this are utter liars and here is my prove! http://www.wowhead.com/armor/role:5/type:-3:-2:-4 If you look at all the class artifact rings on WoW for every tank role...NONE OF THEM HAVE STRENGTH! NONE! SO STOP LYING! Lets look at SWTOR, another MMO that has a WoW feel to it like FF14! In SWTOR, they consolidated all main stats(not secondary) into Mastery except one...can you guess which one that is? ENDURANCE....SWTOR VERSION OF FF14 VITALITY! http://dulfy.net/2016/12/22/swtor-5-...s-master-list/ Every piece of gear for this MMO's lastest expansion in regards to tanks have Endurance above Mastery while all other classes including healers are the polar opposite.....can you guys why.....o yea....their tanks thats why! So with this blatant lie that other MMOS tanks use STR on their gear for tanking....it is not true!

    I do not care what side of this argument you are on....bottom line is that SE will make the final policy...and guess what STR tanks.....its not yours! You will be using Vitality no matter how bad you complain.....because all your issues are nothing more than wishful thinking.....not anything in relation to facts!
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    Last edited by TheRealMadruck; 07-07-2017 at 11:05 PM.

  9. #49
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    Xant'cha Argoth
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    Excalibur
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by FreyjaAshe View Post
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    The problem is while you think it is BiS healers are seeing you health tank which causes us to have to stop our DPS (which from what i understand is better than yours) which then makes everything take longer killing the point of taking STR gear. As Annah was saying it IS noticeable when a tank is using STR acc and IT DOES slow things down. You can claim the you don't do it to have higher DSP but you should understand that if a healer has to focus all our effort to healing you the party DPS does drop.
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  10. #50
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    Nic Pay
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    Exodus
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck View Post
    1. This whole argument that "That doing more damage grants more enmity" is utter garbage and BS now! In just this last patch as I stated in the very beginning of my post you literally generate the same amount of hate you did with VIT accessories now when compared with STR. So this argument is beyond done.
    SE needs to be careful what they do If they did a census now Im sure it would show a drop in tanks, your crazy to think people will just continue to play jobs that SE keeps ruining so your solution of stop tanking is a pretty stupid one. There is already enough people scared to play tank as is lets not ruin the jobs for the good ones just because you think tanks should play how you want them to play
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