Please Restrict tank classes from wearing strength jewelry.

[Rhymenoserous]

Assuming you're not exaggerating about how fast that happened, this has nothing to do with what jewelry they were wearing.

yeah something else is very wrong here.

[Fynlar]

Well to listen to YOU talk, I don't exist!

I never said that.

What I am saying is that if you think the number of tanks out there who actually carry both VIT and STR gear and actually properly weigh what to use in each and every instance they join, outweighs the number of tanks out there who don't give a rat's ass and will just use whatever they want, whilst blaming "incompetent healers" for whatever extra deaths they receive as a result of their STR gear... you're deluding yourself. Which is easier to do, when you're a tank yourself and you don't get to see what other tanks are like except in the 8-mans, and even then, unless you do the extreme/savage content, the OT is pretty much a ghetto DPS most of the time and you're not really seeing how they are behaving in a situation where they actually have to tank stuff.

I still have absolutely zero comprehension on why SE rolled back this change before it was ready to be rolled back. All of this should never have even been an issue after it got left behind in 2.x (or was it early 3.x? I forget exactly when it happened), yet here we are, again. The dead horse has returned as a grotesque zombie.

[Praesul]

I'm really sad that they removed parry.

Means I can't call full vit tanks "parry princesses".

(And I say this as someone who can't be assed using str accessories this expansion)

[Awful]

Susano EX can already oneshot them nicely within the first 30 seconds of the fight if Asail(? The telegraphed tank buster) or the auto attack after it crits. Bad tanks are more likely to not mitigate it because it's not as obvious as Stormsplitter.

You're right it's not telegraphed but as a DRK you can eat it out of Grit easily, Shadow Wall + TBN makes it hit for 7kish, you can just hop into Grit for the last one and time another TBN + Reprisal and it'll hit for 11k. Bad tanks that can't mitigate will continue to be bad and bad str tanks that eat it all with nothing again will be bad it's not just a str or vit tank thing a good tank will survive it easier than a bad one and it's really noticeable.

What really makes me mad is that if people mess the lightning marker mechanic as a tank with 4/5 STR accessories I will die, won't deny that so I hope these changes here soon eliminates stuff like that because it's honestly ridiculous and I don't feel tanky at all. I just want my HP and damage to compliment each other I rolled with str tanking in Gordias and end of ARR honestly didn't like it but I adapt whether I like it or not.

[akaneakki]

I've met only a few of them. Some wear STR during boss only, so do I. On trash pull I wear vit gear. But yea was 1 tank I had that was using it on trash pull and boss, he was actually good so dpsing as whm wasn't as bad, it was in fact easier to heal him than most vit tanks.

[ChocoFeru]

Party DPs is more important than individual DPS.

If a Tank wears full STR accessories, healers have to stop DPSing, therefore the minimal gain of a Tank doesn't compensate the full DPS loss from a healer who can outDPS a tank if done correctly.

Everybody loses.

[Neophyte]

We will see. Right now with the unwanted WAR at least holmganging a mechanic every 3 min or 2x every 3 min with 2x WAR is not a thing anymore in every group.

We'll see. I still think that in Alexander savage STR tanks (with no VIT acc) wouldn't have been very succesfull, even if they had a +15% damage buff when doing that.

Why should it be different now?

I mean, proof me wrong and do a no-echo ilvl 245 clear in slaying gear in A9s and tell me if it's easier or more effective than going full VIT.


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And of course it's better to have tanks being able to drop down more than 'need 1-2 heals to be topped off', simple because of crits.

If I have to heal a tank at 15k health (because ofincomming TB) and he is missing 15k health a crit almost always results in overheal (i.e. wasted free eHP).

When I can let him drop to 15k health with 25k missing health you actually get a gain if your next heal crits for 20k and you safe healing GCDs.
The bigger the gap between a minimum of HP and the max. HP, the better and more often a healer can utilize occuring crits for less healing GCDs (and eHP of Benediction and Divine Bension is higher, but that's only minor).

[Psycofang]

And then when people actually do that and complain about the queues, the same people that told them to play a DPS then end up telling them to just play a tank/healer if they dislike the queues.

You just can't win there.

Yeah thats called a trade off. Cant cake eat - nonsensical saying to get a point across.

[Misutoraru]

AoE is the only place the arguement matters since that is where the majority of dungeon time comes from; also, it is the only place in a dungeon where health is a serious issue either way.

the only time I have concern about tank wearing STR gear are those big trash mob pull
with a larger HP pool, i could just Benefic II/Essential Dignity when the HP drop below a threshold
then continue my Gravity spam

a lower HP pool tank mean I will either over heal with those skills and need to use my big heal more often, or I will have to drop the threshold to a lower level which could be a dangerous move
either way I will have to heal more frequently, it cost me more Mana, cost me more time to drop gravity, or need to use more Essential Dignity or similar oGCD heal (even to a point they are still on CD), or the Tank will have to do smaller pull where it become not worthy to spam gravity and DPS not worth spamming AOE


as for boss fight, i dont feel significant different for a tank to wear VIT or STR gear, since i go DF most of the time, I have to look after the DPS too in boss fight, and i do not think my Malefic will out DPS a tank with STR gear


I would not complain about tank using STR gear, or switch stance, as long as the run is smooth and they done their job, but I definitely prefer a larger HP pool tank with less DPS than a higher DPS tank with lower HP pool in those large pull situations

[Wizhard]

ITT - People not understanding the concept of EHP, on BOTH sides of the argument.\

"Hurr, more HP does not increase your survivability" Yes it fucking does, it does the same thing your CDs do, increase your EHP. The tradeoff is that you lose dps.

A success of a good mass-pull is not just how the tank acts/is geared and how healer acts/is geared, alot of the burden in those is on dps and how fast they can kill stuff. And that varies GREATLY in DF.