Please Restrict tank classes from wearing strength jewelry.

[Shyle]

I don't understand why the devs decided to revert the Vit changes from HW. It seemed everyone was happy with that decision, so why fix what wasn't broke? I guess Tenacity was supposed to fix that? But I've read in a few places that it doesn't scale well..at all.

[Fynlar]

Yeah, it was a bad move to try and roll back this VIT change before they were actually ready to do it (as in, fix all the 1-60 accessories too)

You'd think they would have, you know, learned something from Legacy release. Guess not.

[Nowakii]

Just to be clear, VIT have nothing to do with surviving pulls.... if he is dying from 3 adds, his mitigation is the problem, not the lack of 10k~ hp from not using Vit Acces

[Ameela]

I don't understand why the devs decided to revert the Vit changes from HW. It seemed everyone was happy with that decision, so why fix what wasn't broke? I guess Tenacity was supposed to fix that? But I've read in a few places that it doesn't scale well..at all.

According to SE it's because then tanks would have too much HP.
I don't get it either.

[Adire]

According to SE it's because then tanks would have too much HP.
I don't get it either.

And then they go and make it so all tanks have to wear VIT accessories if they want to keep their item level up anyway.

Like, why?

[ADVSS]

According to SE it's because then tanks would have too much HP.
I don't get it either.

I think honestly they meant "damage inflation" they have to, the hp excuse is the reason they forced vit on tanks to begin with. in 3.2. Not our fault tanks get a hell of alot of Vit with the accessories added, nor that it has to be higher than the other roles on base gear as well

[Fynlar]

Just to be clear, VIT have nothing to do with surviving pulls.... if he is dying from 3 adds, his mitigation is the problem, not the lack of 10k~ hp from not using Vit Acces

Just because mitigation is important doesn't mean max HP stops being important. It's also a critical factor. If you ran into enough healers on the DF that don't have the greatest reaction times or are otherwise seemingly keen to let you drop to low health before doing anything about it, you'd know this.

Personally, for a pull of just 3 mobs, you shouldn't even have to be using much in the way of mitigation, so I'd say this is due to either massive undergearing on the tank/healer's part or the healer not being attentive.

For me, when I'm in a party I know is capable of handling a larger pull (as in, I know they'll actually AoE and won't take forever to kill doing so), I may do a small pull *because* my good CDs are all down and I don't think a larger pull will be survivable in my current state, and I'm using that as a means to get them back for larger pulls.

[Nowakii]

Just because mitigation is important doesn't mean max HP stops being important. It's also a critical factor. If you ran into enough healers on the DF that don't have the greatest reaction times or are otherwise seemingly keen to let you drop to low health before doing anything about it, you'd know this.

Im a healer myself, starting on Tanking just to understand them a little better, thats why i say Vit is not as important as people make it sound, having 30k or 40k Does no difference, My GCD and oGCD restore the same amount of Hp to both, meaning that the Extra Vit is good for the first 3/5 seconds of the fight where im not healing them and just letting them take free dmg, once the Hp drops bellow that Max HP or i have to cast my first heal, it losses its value (This speking about using STR acces Vs Vit ones).

[RyuujinZERO]

Just because mitigation is important doesn't mean max HP stops being important. It's also a critical factor. If you ran into enough healers on the DF that don't have the greatest reaction times or are otherwise seemingly keen to let you drop to low health before doing anything about it, you'd know this..

Which is why this arguement keeps rolling around and around - both sides are fighting strawmen. Imaginary healers and imaginary tanks that support their echo box interpretation of the situation, ignoring the valid points of both sides.

Real tanks - responsible tanks, in a PUG will look at the dungeon content, know it's hazards, examine and test their healer in the opening pull, and weigh up their competence and risks BEFORE they decide what strength/vit ratio they're going to roll with and the size of the pulls they might attempt. Tanking is a stressful enough job without immediately getting the ire of your party right out the gate by screwing things up by pushing your team beyond their limits.

People are arguing in a vacuum about how 'Full STR tanks will explode instantly' or how 'healers all DPS when there is a window and a STR tank is blocking them for doing their part' when these situations almost never exist in the real world outsid eof a few incompetent outliers who think they're death and taxes

[RubenSnizzle]

Why don't they just scale dmg off of VIT and make STR act as a sub-stat for tenacity?