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    There are just a lot of references and some similarities to FFVI, but is it the same world? No.

    Final Fantasy VI saw the end of magic and it completely dissolved from the world. Hydealyn is in no way devoid of magic.
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    Now yes there is references to a lot of the games. However there is a reference to the War of Magi which is also from FF6 and then there is the fact that every time there is a calamity it pushes into the next era. 7 Umbral era's and now 7 Astral era's. Which all these happen thousands of years in between each other. So who is to say that over the thousands of years between the 1st documented era's couldn't be each of the Final Fantasy games. And the Lore behind each era has been blurred because of so many years of reiteration after each calamity happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SantoLuciano View Post
    Now yes there is references to a lot of the games. However there is a reference to the War of Magi which is also from FF6 and then there is the fact that every time there is a calamity it pushes into the next era. 7 Umbral era's and now 7 Astral era's. Which all these happen thousands of years in between each other. So who is to say that over the thousands of years between the 1st documented era's couldn't be each of the Final Fantasy games. And the Lore behind each era has been blurred because of so many years of reiteration after each calamity happening.
    Because that's not what's happening. First off, the only time civilization flourishes into something new and distinct is typically the Astral Eras; the Umbral Eras are transitional periods. Second, we have three consecutive eras that we intimately know the history of - Sixth Astral (the ~1500 years leading up to and including 1.0), Seventh Umbral (the 5 years between 1.0 and the end of 2.0), and Seventh Astral (2.1 to present); that's three that can't be other Final Fantasy game plots. Third, while there are a few Astral Eras that we know very little about, there are two (aside from 6A, 7U, and 7A) that are exceptionally well documented: the third and the fifth. Let's take a look at those:

    -The Third was the time of the Allagan Empire, an era whose artefacts we have regularly interacted with and whose history we know well enough to know that it was not another Final Fantasy game. But let's assume that we didn't for a moment. What Final Fantasy game do you reckon it was - would it be FFIII, due to the reign of Xande and the construction of the Crystal Tower? Would it be FFVI, due to the summoning and imprisonment of the Warring Triad? Would it be FFXIII, due to many Allagan enemies borrowing the appearance of ones from that game? You see the problem, of course - even if we pretend that the history is muddled and confused over time, the Third Astral Era borrows elements from so many Final Fantasy games that it would be impossible for it to actually be the plot of just one (which would be necessary for your theory to work).

    -The Fifth Astral Era was the time of the War of the Magi, and is (relatively) recent history. Again, this is an era that has been heavily explored in-game, through Job Quests, Raids, Dungeons, the whole lot. We KNOW what the War of the Magi involved the nations of Amdapor, Nym, and Mhach; that the war drove the Elementals to flood the realm; the general history of everything after that flood. And the thing is, FFVI has a rather specific history as well - the plot takes place a thousand years after their War of the Magi, and we have a pretty good general idea of what was happening 1000 years after ours (it didn't involve an Empire seeking Espers and a crazy clown general ending the world). It's pretty safe to say the Wars of the Magi of FFVI and FFXIV are different events.

    So yeah. Unfortunately, we do know enough about Hydaelyn's history to say that several of its Eras can't be the other numbered games in the franchise - and while there's always the chance that one or two of the lost Eras could be established as such, it's definitely not going to be FFVI, what with all the links occurring during times that are well-documented as distinct.
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    So now this brings up my other theory that Final Fantasy series is part of a giant multiverse. The reason I bring this up is because of the Warrior of Darkness story line. From how they describe their world being flooded by light is because it's a reference of the first Final Fantasy game. And the reason it's flooded with light is because once you beat the game and conquer the darkness the game ends, which I guess you can say is the also meant the end of their world. Also they do make a reference to the 13th realm being flooded by darkness which makes sense since the whole story of Lighting Returns is to save as many people as possible before their world is consumed by darkness. And as it stands FF14 is right in the middle of the spectrum since it's technically a story that is still ongoing and the fate of the world hasn't been decided to fall into darkness or brought into the light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SantoLuciano View Post
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    While yes, the FF universe is technically a multiverse, it's only connection point is the Interdimensional Rift.

    The Warriors of Darkness came from another shard of Hydaelyn, not another FF world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SantoLuciano View Post
    So now this brings up my other theory that Final Fantasy series is part of a giant multiverse. The reason I bring this up is because of the Warrior of Darkness story line. From how they describe their world being flooded by light is because it's a reference of the first Final Fantasy game. And the reason it's flooded with light is because once you beat the game and conquer the darkness the game ends, which I guess you can say is the also meant the end of their world. Also they do make a reference to the 13th realm being flooded by darkness which makes sense since the whole story of Lighting Returns is to save as many people as possible before their world is consumed by darkness. And as it stands FF14 is right in the middle of the spectrum since it's technically a story that is still ongoing and the fate of the world hasn't been decided to fall into darkness or brought into the light.
    I already wrote about this in another thread but nothing bad about posting it again:

    FF13 was consumed by chaos and the world stopped completely. People that died could not be reborn and waited as souls. At the end everything was consumed but everything started anew as a new universe. In FF14 the 13th shard was consumed by darkness and every people that lived there was transformed into void creatures and the void still exists. So it could not be FF13 simply because the void still exist in FF14, which was not the case in FF13. Also there was no mention of a ascian, WoL and Hydaelyn in FF13.

    I never played the first FF game but in FF14 the 1th shard was not consumed by Light. The WoD came to our shard to stop this, so it was not to late for that. With our help Minfilia was able to go over and take the light back with her. Thus it was hinted that we saved the shard from being consumed. But if the world was destroyed at the end of the first FF then it could not be this shard, simply because it still exists.

    Also FF is not over, we already have FF15 and probably more games along the way. Yet we still have only our source world and 13 shards.
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