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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emitans View Post
    AST has stronger shields that cost less MP and are instant cast.
    False there was a post on the forums a sch shield is still stronger without crit... ast is 140 potency with 250% shield base on the heal.... sch is 300 potency which gives a shield base on hp restored... and doubles when crit

    Quote Originally Posted by Emitans View Post
    indom isn't free. It competes with Lustrate and Energy Drain for Aetherflow stacks.
    Use ur atherflow stacks correctly depending on what mechanic is thrown at you.... that what they was designed for
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yhisa View Post
    False there was a post on the forums a sch shield is still stronger without crit... ast is 140 potency with 250% shield base on the heal.... sch is 300 potency which gives a shield base on hp restored... and doubles when crit
    My math might be incorrect but Aspected Benefic's actual potency is 230 because of the 15% bonus of nocturnal stance. A 250% potency shield off of that is 575 potency. A SCH's shield is 300 potency.



    Use ur atherflow stacks correctly depending on what mechanic is thrown at you.... that what they was designed for
    Im aware of how aetherflow works. I'm pointing out you can't directly compare an aetherflow ability to another healer's cooldowns because WHM and AST skills don't lock you out of other abilities. Indom is a good skill, but it can't be directly compared to Earthly Star.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lildragora View Post

    The only thing WHM has over AST is OGCD healing abilities and most of which can be optional in all the current fights we have currently. Sure you CAN use them but they are not NEEDED in the new content. WHM needs raid utility and SCH needs Mitigation, AST needs healing nerfs in both healing departments.
    What on earth.... whm dominates all healers soo hard right now.....

    Whm HAVE got ultility ... did u forget about divine benision.... confession stacks....tetragramation... assize... divine benediction... thin air

    The whm ultility is to provide more healing... when needed which dominates all the healers currently

    But this is the forums where people complain without thought

    "Cough" uproar about whm "cough"

    when whm is the best healer in healing and damage
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    Quote Originally Posted by OcieKo View Post
    AST only has 4 OGCD heals,
    I was indeed counting with LOC... a practically free 9-10k HP heal is no joke, and despite it being locked behind RNG I find that both in 8 mans and dungeons I land this fairly often enough to consider it a dependable resource. With sleeve draw you get a chance of it being ready immediately - AND if your "draw" is useless paired with your "royal road", you can use minor arcana again for an extra 50% chance of yet another free heal.

    As for WHM, access to lilies is so EASY youcan blow off all your time locked heals and have their cooldown lowered (besides freecure which despite having always been there, further allows for WHM to heal like a truck with like, no MP cost whatsoever).
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    Last edited by Spiroglyph; 07-06-2017 at 08:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yhisa View Post
    False there was a post on the forums a sch shield is still stronger without crit... ast is 140 potency with 250% shield base on the heal.... sch is 300 potency which gives a shield base on hp restored... and doubles when crit



    Use ur atherflow stacks correctly depending on what mechanic is thrown at you.... that what they was designed for
    Only diurnal is 140 potency.

    Nocturnal aspected benefic is 230 heal potency. 200 base + 15% healing increase from nocturnal.

    230 x 2.5 = 575. Therefore the Heal potency is 230 + 575 = 825 a cast compared to 600 from adlo.

    A critlo is 900. Crit noct aspected benefic is 1238. Divine seal makes it scale higher.

    Hubby made me post this e.e.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yhisa View Post
    WHM = Strongest heal /strongest heal dps
    SCH = Strongest mitigation / medium heal dps
    AST = Strongest buffer / lowest heal dps
    So I'm guessing you haven't really played much since SB release, right?
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    Look the healers have changed stormblood have killed main and off healer roles


    as a healer do your job and prevent and use ur kit to deal with the correct mechanic

    if u dont have the correct kit for the current mechanic that what your healer partner is for to cover mechanics that you cannot deal with because you lack the require skills to deal with that mechanic

    And if ur a sch spamming skills none stop and trying to solo heal... quit and reroll whm because ur playing a whm role
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yhisa View Post
    Look the healers have changed stormblood have killed main and off healer roles


    as a healer do your job and prevent and use ur kit to deal with the correct mechanic

    if u dont have the correct kit for the current mechanic that what your healer partner is for to cover mechanics that you cannot deal with because you lack the require skills to deal with that mechanic

    And if ur a sch spamming skills none stop and trying to solo heal... quit and reroll whm because ur playing a whm role
    The point we're trying to make is that AST is better at SCH's role than SCH is. If SCH's job is to mitigate and AST does it better why bring a SCH?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyneste View Post
    Only diurnal is 140 potency.

    Nocturnal aspected benefic is 230 heal potency. 200 base + 15% healing increase from nocturnal.

    230 x 2.5 = 575. Therefore the Heal potency is 230 + 575 = 825 a cast compared to 600 from adlo.

    A critlo is 900. Crit noct aspected benefic is 1238. Divine seal makes it scale higher.

    Hubby made me post this e.e.
    Pretty much this. Plus you have to consider the lower cost and instant cast time of Aspected Benefic. Just to dispel some confusion, the 140 potency on Aspected Benefic is the regen portion of the spell under Diurnal Sect. The base healing on this spell is 200 for Diurnal Sect and 230 for Nocturnal Sect. Either way Astrologian's have strong, better, cheaper shields than Scholars have.
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    Last edited by Vilenya; 07-06-2017 at 08:51 PM.

  10. #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    So I'm guessing you haven't really played much since SB release, right?
    Mitigation preventation
    1)Sacred soil+ succor
    2) adol+ deployment tactics
    3) Succor + emergancy tactics
    4) succor + idomitability

    Split healing

    1)embrace + physic
    2)excogitation + fey union


    this is all without whispering dawn
    .. fey illumination,

    Guess u never really paid attention to sch kit huh :P
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